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Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by claudius »

ankitml wrote: post #9

Very less covered in India too - I see only firstpost having a story on this. Even the largest paper - TOI has not even mentioned turky on their homepage. http://www.firstpost.com/world/protesters-defiant-as-turkey-...

In comparison, Die Zeit[0] (liberal) has a number of articles currently in slot three of the homepage (slot one is describing floods), Die Süddeutsche[1] (liberal/left) in slot four (they’re based in Munich, so the most important bit is apparently football) and FAZ[2] (conservative) around slot three, too, where slot one is about education. No idea what their printed edition looked like (SZ and FAZ are daily newspapers, Die Zeit is a weekly one). The German word for Turkey is Türkei.

[0] http://www.zeit.de/index

[1] http://www.sueddeutsche.de/

[2] http://www.faz.net/

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by varjag »

dasil003 wrote: post #5
pknerd wrote: post #2

Another sponsored revolution.

That comment merits an explanation.

Some people find it deeply unsettling that someone could hold different political views sincerely. They cope with it by assuming the others are compensated in some form for their abnormal behavior.

When I protested in my homeland I heard accusations of being paid to do this, even the price was specified ($20). Twenty bucks to go into a harsh cold night to be assaulted by police and possibly imprisoned on terrorism charges, what a deal :)

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Post by carbocation »

claudius wrote: post #8
antihero wrote: post #4

This is disgusting, the "right" to profit/property is the least important thing, it should never trump people's well-being or the environment.

Yet a democratically-elected government made a decision in the name of the people to replace this park with a shopping mall. People protesting against that by blocking the construction process (i.e. stand in front of bulldozers etc.) are effectively overturning democracy in order to protect their personal interests. This is a general problem I have with such active counter-protests, be they to stop a station from bei…

> People protesting against that by blocking the construction process (i.e. stand in front of bulldozers etc.) are effectively overturning democracy in order to protect their personal interests.

I think this is getting at the heart of civil disobedience: the violation of laws or decrees considered unjust.

I know nothing about the Turkish protests, but another example of civil disobedience is Martin Luther King, Jr. He committed crimes, technically, as he protested. But I don't think that it makes sense to say that MLK's protesting == overturning democracy in America. By analogy, it's hard to imagine civil disobedience in Turkey to be overthrowing democracy there.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by idoco »

I recommend - http://occupygezipics.tumblr.com/

What puzzle me the most, is the voluntary cooperation of the media with the government. Even if the media does not support this event, how they not cover it at all? sad, I always thought of Turkey as the most successful example of a Muslim democratic state.

Re: What is Happening in Istanbul?

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Post by claudius »

idoco wrote: post #17

I recommend - http://occupygezipics.tumblr.com/ What puzzle me the most, is the voluntary cooperation of the media with the government. Even if the media does not support this event, how they not cover it at all? sad, I always thought of Turkey as the most successful example of a Muslim democratic state.

> Muslim democratic state.

There are very, very few religious democracies, and if you only consider those both officially and effectively religious, I won’t be able to name a single one.

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Post by spot »

monsterix wrote: post #6

> Two young people were run over by the tanks and were killed. That is extremely serious. My condolences with those who lost their lives, and best wishes for your friend to recover from her injury. While we all discuss and throw ourselves around when a dying industry (read Hollywood) misbehaves and tries to screw with our Internet freedoms, free speech etc. I wonder what would when happen when the same fate, and it i…

true, but the mainstream press (guardian, nytimes etc) has not confirmed the fatalities, and it's been a while. they might just be rumors that get distorted, that kind of thing is pretty easy to happen. i too rereported them, but now i am beginning to wonder if it has really happened.
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