Wow, I am shocked at the low salaries. There go my fantasies of doing software development in London. From what I've read about there's no way I could afford rents there on that salary.
they're in pounds - multiply by 1.5
Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did two years of computer science, then quit. I use very little of what I learnt, and the personal development (no pun intended) outside of what I was taught at university has been far more important to my career. If money is your goal, knowing how to sell yourself (in job applications and interviews) is very important. For job security and progression in general, people skills are essential . My advice? Don't both…
What about job applications? Almost every job application requires a degree in CS?
If you have some experience you can point to, say contributions to open source projects, your own personal website (that isn't just a generic blog site) or maybe some volunteering for a non-profit or something like that, you can get around it. Well, I guess it depends geographically where you are as well as what sort of position you're applying for.
Maybe also consider getting your foot in the door via QA?
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Why is this the case? I'm a frontend dev for a startup in London and I make 18k annually (80% of that because I only work 4 days a week). It's peanuts, but luckily I don't mind being poor.
Do you mind sharing whereabouts in London you're staying? (Zone x, or slightly outside London...?) I was there for some years, and my rent was always around 8k a year. I find trying to live in an expensive city while on a low salary admirable.
In London, it's incredibly popular to live in roommate situations and have just a single room in a house with shared kitchen/bathroom for this reason. I know a lot of people still live with their parents into their late 20s and pay little or no rent, too.
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#154This surprises me given how god-awful expensive London is. I remember it being one of those cities I've visited where I was like "how do people live here? what do all these people do?" Or maybe, like New York, you actually can live there fairly reasonably if you really know the place and know how to do it. As a visitor maybe I was paying tourist prices.
London cost of living isn't so bad. Public transport is cheap and abundant, competition keeps prices down for restaurants and shops, and there are a lot of free events to keep you busy. The main expense is in the accomodation, which most people in their 20s combat by sharing houses in undesirable areas. (This is a problem UK wide though as they have managed to keep our housing bubble inflated unlike in the US.) Londo…
Public transport in London is anything but cheap. It is simply the most expensive urban public transport system I know of in terms of cost of monthly passes (or travelcards). Currently a monthly travelcard in zones 1-2 is £116.80 ($177.30). In comparison, a similar monthly pass in New York costs $112, $74 in San Francisco, $167 in Tokyo, $84.50 in Paris, $99.95 in Berlin, $100 in Chicago, $67.96 in Melbourne and so on.
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#155The software industry here in London is really badly paid, for salaried jobs outside finance at least. I know plenty of developers who started at £20-25k as graduates from decent universities and whose salary has slowly risen to 40k over quite a few years. PhD graduates making £35-45k too.
also does a PhD really help when programming (serious question)?
Depends what you consider programming, but if it includes getting a job at Microsoft Research or the more interesting jobs at Google, definitely.
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#156The software industry here in London is really badly paid, for salaried jobs outside finance at least. I know plenty of developers who started at £20-25k as graduates from decent universities and whose salary has slowly risen to 40k over quite a few years. PhD graduates making £35-45k too.
£40k is not badly paid. It's significantly less than SV sure, but it's a lot more than the average UK salary.
Yes, see here: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/article-2269520/Best-paid...
Some people seem dissapointed that developers are not being paid more than airline pilots: it's just not realistic outside of a boom economy (see: bay area).
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_brick_university One of 6 particular universities. A similar term in the USA would be something like Ivy League: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League
The analogy to the Ivy League is the Russell Group.
Please do note that I said 'similar term', I didn't say it was a direct equivalent. I was just providing an example that someone from the US might immediately understand.
It's a phrase that someone from the associated region of the world can generally go "Oh, you attended a school?" and immediately have certain stereotypes and assumptions (accurate or not) come to mind.
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Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#159Started on 30k progressed to 60k in London. People who stay in one place for more than 1-2 years without decent raises do a bad favour to everyone except for employers. Do move around and get what you deserve along with varied experience! Companies do shell out on contractors when there is a need and can keep them for years. I think it is some sort of misrepresentation that leads people to think that it is OK to pay…
Is there a point when moving around too much is starting to look bad on your resume?
When interviewing candidates, staying under 6 months makes me slightly concerned. But only slightly; there are many good reasons a good developer might only stay somewhere briefly.
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