Given the way the City works, do you really want us to not include bonus?
Wait, could you explain to us outsiders "the way the City works?" Are bonuses that important?
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Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
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Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#32Salary: £85k + bupa + pension and a 25% of gross salary (£~21k) a year paid each quarter if objective are met (70% or above). Tech: Primarily Java with some C, C++ and more recently Go (although Go is only in our code playground, nothing even close to production yet) Location: West London Company: Small but well established (since 1996). There are 4 developers including myself. One software is one part of what we off…
You are making decent money compared to SF. According to the poll, not many are though. Does the UK not value intellectual workers?
London's an awful lot better than most of the rest of the UK. I'm on a similar package as the post above, but only since moving to London.
Working anywhere else in the UK, I'd struggle to get half that.
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#33The software industry here in London is really badly paid, for salaried jobs outside finance at least. I know plenty of developers who started at £20-25k as graduates from decent universities and whose salary has slowly risen to 40k over quite a few years. PhD graduates making £35-45k too.
Well, my wife recently started in France, with M.Eng. in CS, for what translates to around £25k/year. And that is considered well paid.
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#34Is this poll in pounds or USD?
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That is a good starting salary. Make sure you stick to your guns when you move about. If you are staying in your area of expertise you should never take a pay cut. Ever.
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#36As someone debating whether to do a Mathematics vs Computer Science vs Joint Honours, I'd really like to hear from graduates what worked out for them. - As a developer, how often are skills from CompSci degree applied on the job? - What do you wish you knew about the job market as an undergrad? - How much part did the prestige of your university play in your current salary?
I find that skills from more traditional, hard degrees (maths, physics, chem, history, philosophy) translate into high-level employable skills more than raw computer science. raw comp sci (and basic programming jobs) is a useless skill without advance business domain knowledge (and the traditional hard subjects provide the scaffolding, if you will, to pick that up more quickly.)
One think I wish I knew about the job market before I started: you'll be more successful using programming as your "secret weapon" in some other domain than as line-engineer elsewhere. of course, "success" here is defined in terms of what I like, and may not match you.
I found my personal development and existing work mattered a lot more than my university.
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#37Started on 30k progressed to 60k in London. People who stay in one place for more than 1-2 years without decent raises do a bad favour to everyone except for employers. Do move around and get what you deserve along with varied experience! Companies do shell out on contractors when there is a need and can keep them for years. I think it is some sort of misrepresentation that leads people to think that it is OK to pay less then 50k to a decent dev in London.
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#38The software industry here in London is really badly paid, for salaried jobs outside finance at least. I know plenty of developers who started at £20-25k as graduates from decent universities and whose salary has slowly risen to 40k over quite a few years. PhD graduates making £35-45k too.
That tends to be the case mostly everywhere in Europe. For that matter, most places in the world outside the US (and Silicon Valley) tend not to pay software engineers very competitively.
I am from a fairly small central European country and programmers there barely make more than other professions; the salaries often amount to the national average.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to compare like with like: number of days holiday is different (we have different numbers of public holidays); you don't have to pay for health insurance; the numbers here are in sterling not USD; do we value experienced developers more than very new ones; how many have bonuses as a major part of their salary [which this doesn't show]?
Sure, a lot of things here are taken care of. But compared to other jobs for smart graduate in the uk, e.g. law (£35-40k as a graduate trainee), investment banking (£40+k as a graduate, rising very quickly and with significant bonus) it is poorly paid.
With law you have to do a two year training course (so effectively two years of training) where they're usually sponsored.
Investment banking is often long hours (9-midnight) plus weekends. Many leave after a year or two or don't make it past 2 years (don't get their contracts renewed after analyst). Also, I'd consider those individuals to be some of the very smart; does this survey really allow one to filter how good they are at their job? There are different levels of software engineer from someone tweaking a wordpress blog template to someone writing assembly code on chips.
Also, what about google and facebook? They pay pretty well, don't they? Also, there are other companies like linkedin and oracle here too. No idea if they pay well or not (no info to base it off)
Working for government contracts as non permanent employee ?
Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#4080k base, 130k last bonus. I'm 2 years into doing mostly Java, Python and C++ in a hedge fund. I left a small non-finance software firm where after a few years I was on 25k.