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Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
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Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#12I'm Turkish. Let me try to shed some light on what's going on. What started as a small protest to prevent the demolishing of a park to build a mall on it turned into full-blown riots after some stunning displays of brutality by the police. The commentators are saying that the Turks had lots of pent-up anger over the years and this allowed them to let it all out. The result is the largest series of riots Turkey has se…
Let me get this straight - you think military influence on a government is what can preserve democracy? Because you think that in the case of a government that is heavily military based, that military part of the government would be for people?
You're free to believe that, I suppose, but you'd be ignoring most of the world's history. Revolutions happen when normal people rise up against the government, no the military. The military is usually busy shooting those people.
Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#13I'm Turkish. Let me try to shed some light on what's going on. What started as a small protest to prevent the demolishing of a park to build a mall on it turned into full-blown riots after some stunning displays of brutality by the police. The commentators are saying that the Turks had lots of pent-up anger over the years and this allowed them to let it all out. The result is the largest series of riots Turkey has se…
Let me get this straight - you think military influence on a government is what can preserve democracy? Because you think that in the case of a government that is heavily military based, that military part of the government would be for people? You're free to believe that, I suppose, but you'd be ignoring most of the world's history. Revolutions happen when normal people rise up against the government, no the militar…
> Revolutions happen when normal people rise up against the government, no the military.
because when the military does that it's called a coup not a revolution and takes 2 days not 2 years.
but I too didn't get his point about the military.
Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me get this straight - you think military influence on a government is what can preserve democracy? Because you think that in the case of a government that is heavily military based, that military part of the government would be for people? You're free to believe that, I suppose, but you'd be ignoring most of the world's history. Revolutions happen when normal people rise up against the government, no the militar…
> Revolutions happen when normal people rise up against the government, no the military. because when the military does that it's called a coup not a revolution and takes 2 days not 2 years. but I too didn't get his point about the military.
Probably he meant that the military for securing a secular state, when it looses influence on the government you'll get Islamic government.
Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#15I'm Turkish. Let me try to shed some light on what's going on. What started as a small protest to prevent the demolishing of a park to build a mall on it turned into full-blown riots after some stunning displays of brutality by the police. The commentators are saying that the Turks had lots of pent-up anger over the years and this allowed them to let it all out. The result is the largest series of riots Turkey has se…
Let me get this straight - you think military influence on a government is what can preserve democracy? Because you think that in the case of a government that is heavily military based, that military part of the government would be for people? You're free to believe that, I suppose, but you'd be ignoring most of the world's history. Revolutions happen when normal people rise up against the government, no the militar…
The particular history of Turkish civil-military relations is something you should read into, because it's incredibly interesting. The military has historically been the guard of the official state ideology, ie Ataturk-ism, which is secular, nationalist, and in opposition to Islamic rule. If you think the greatest threat to democracy is theocratic Islamic rule, and that Erdogan's broadly Islamic (though democratically elected) government is likely to lead to that, then yes, it makes total sense to talk about the Army as the guarantor of democracy.
Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#16I'm Turkish. Let me try to shed some light on what's going on. What started as a small protest to prevent the demolishing of a park to build a mall on it turned into full-blown riots after some stunning displays of brutality by the police. The commentators are saying that the Turks had lots of pent-up anger over the years and this allowed them to let it all out. The result is the largest series of riots Turkey has se…
Let me get this straight - you think military influence on a government is what can preserve democracy? Because you think that in the case of a government that is heavily military based, that military part of the government would be for people? You're free to believe that, I suppose, but you'd be ignoring most of the world's history. Revolutions happen when normal people rise up against the government, no the militar…
In most of the world, revolutions come bottom up. In Turkey, they came top down. It was the military that toppled the "sultan" and established the parliamentary system / Turkish Republic. And later it was a former general who set up the multi-party system (and didn't get elected).
I know it sounds off, but what the Founding Fathers did for the US, the generals did for Turkey. Not a very healthy one I agree, but at least they established whatever form of democracy Turkey has today.
Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#17I'm Turkish. Let me try to shed some light on what's going on. What started as a small protest to prevent the demolishing of a park to build a mall on it turned into full-blown riots after some stunning displays of brutality by the police. The commentators are saying that the Turks had lots of pent-up anger over the years and this allowed them to let it all out. The result is the largest series of riots Turkey has se…
This is a side question, but we're going very soon on a 2 week holiday in Kemer, is there any real danger for tourists? Not that I don't agree with what you're doing, but I'm traveling with a 3 year old and there's not enough information on this from news media.
Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#18I'm Turkish. Let me try to shed some light on what's going on. What started as a small protest to prevent the demolishing of a park to build a mall on it turned into full-blown riots after some stunning displays of brutality by the police. The commentators are saying that the Turks had lots of pent-up anger over the years and this allowed them to let it all out. The result is the largest series of riots Turkey has se…
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Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#19There is a gallery
http://imgur.com/gallery/WJnz6 #direngeziparki
please take a look at this to get the cruelty and violence exposed by the police:
Help us spread the freedom cry of the people of Turkey !
Re: Thousands of Istanbul citizens walking to protest government
#20I'm Turkish. Let me try to shed some light on what's going on. What started as a small protest to prevent the demolishing of a park to build a mall on it turned into full-blown riots after some stunning displays of brutality by the police. The commentators are saying that the Turks had lots of pent-up anger over the years and this allowed them to let it all out. The result is the largest series of riots Turkey has se…
Let me get this straight - you think military influence on a government is what can preserve democracy? Because you think that in the case of a government that is heavily military based, that military part of the government would be for people? You're free to believe that, I suppose, but you'd be ignoring most of the world's history. Revolutions happen when normal people rise up against the government, no the militar…
military influence in turkish gov't doesn't preserve "democracy", rather the military kicks out any political party that doesn't fall in line with the country's hard-line secular ideals.