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Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

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Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

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I had to get a new laptop for my wife, and I had no interest in educating her how to use Windows 8 (or figuring it out myself). The only way it's been usable for her was to install Start8. ( http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ ). It's what MSFT should be adding into 8.1 I have no financial interest in StarDock.

I use StartIsBack [1] which I've found to be very good. $3 for a two pc licence.

[1] http://www.startisback.com/

Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

#52

I had to get a new laptop for my wife, and I had no interest in educating her how to use Windows 8 (or figuring it out myself). The only way it's been usable for her was to install Start8. ( http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/ ). It's what MSFT should be adding into 8.1 I have no financial interest in StarDock.

The absence of a start menu was confusing to me for about three minutes, and then I figured out that the Metro screen is the start menu, just full size. Ever since you've been able to pin programs to the taskbar at the bottom (or side if you prefer) of the screen, my usage of the start menu fell to pressing start, and typing the name of the program I hadn't pinned to the taskbar. The start screen's the same for me, m…

I agree, restoring a small feature (that doesn't prevent you from using the product the way you like) that has been requested by a large number of customers and may get them to like the product better is a definite step in the wrong direction.

Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

#53

For me, personally, none of these changes interest me, perhaps with the exception of IE11. I've had Windows 8 installed on my desktop PC since it came out as I took advantage of their cheap upgrade offer from Windows 7 (I'd not of paid full price for it). So here are my thoughts on the improvements in Windows 8.1 as someone who uses it on a desktop, with a keyboard and mouse. Personalization: The only time I ever see…

What would've you added to improve Windows on non-touch? Windows on touch is the new thing, and it'd be bad if they didn't improve it.

Also, take into account that this isn't "All Windows 8.1 changes". They probably have more to show for non-touch users, but this is what users were complaning about (Start button, Metro multitask...), and as Paul Thurrott unveiled most of these features [1] yesterday I imagine they decided to confirm them and get a bit of good press.

[1] http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/blue-start-experience-chan...

Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

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For what its worth.... Its my No3 son's 14th birthday and he has gathered enough money for a new PC. He wants a new one for school and games. He is not some geek programming whiz kid. He "uses" a computer, he "consumes" the internet. He is, in short, a mere kid user. He already owns a laptop with Windows 8. The discussion on spec and costs comes round to the operating system. Exact quote: "I don't want windows 8, its…

How much of that is him actually having tried it out and deciding that he does not like it, and how much is him having heard about windows 8, and deciding through that?

Yeah fair point, and I wonder how much influence I might have had too.

On the me front, I have never discussed or commented on it to or with him. Frankly, such discussion would bore him senseless. The discussion about the PC spec, which was me trying to match budget with expectation, was hard work!!! But, the one thing he jumped on was not AMD v Intel, not RAM or disk size, not graphics card chip set, its was no Windows 8.

As for usage v PR, all I can say is that, as I tried to point out with my not geek comment, he is not in circles where things like OS's and PC specs are important. He not a computer person. As I said, he is a consumer, not a creator or hacker. The tech details are as important to him as the tech details of a TV or stereo. Basically, does it do what I want? See what I mean?

Also, he has used Windows 8 for months on his laptop. Plenty of time to get over initial shock and simply get used to it. Well, clearly, he hasn't.

So, in his case, I would say his rejection of Win8 is experienced based and genuinely his own.

Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

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For what its worth.... Its my No3 son's 14th birthday and he has gathered enough money for a new PC. He wants a new one for school and games. He is not some geek programming whiz kid. He "uses" a computer, he "consumes" the internet. He is, in short, a mere kid user. He already owns a laptop with Windows 8. The discussion on spec and costs comes round to the operating system. Exact quote: "I don't want windows 8, its…

Actually, people who desire the newest, latest, whizzy thing is a niche market. Most people simply want something that works.

Not with kids, no way. "People", maybe.

Think fashion.

Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

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For what its worth.... Its my No3 son's 14th birthday and he has gathered enough money for a new PC. He wants a new one for school and games. He is not some geek programming whiz kid. He "uses" a computer, he "consumes" the internet. He is, in short, a mere kid user. He already owns a laptop with Windows 8. The discussion on spec and costs comes round to the operating system. Exact quote: "I don't want windows 8, its…

How much of that is him actually having tried it out and deciding that he does not like it, and how much is him having heard about windows 8, and deciding through that?

He stated he owns a Windows 8 laptop already, which is very revealing. I'd also say his interest in Windows over OSX makes him much less of a bandwagon-rider (though it could be the pricetag as well).

Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The absence of a start menu was confusing to me for about three minutes, and then I figured out that the Metro screen is the start menu, just full size. Ever since you've been able to pin programs to the taskbar at the bottom (or side if you prefer) of the screen, my usage of the start menu fell to pressing start, and typing the name of the program I hadn't pinned to the taskbar. The start screen's the same for me, m…

I agree, restoring a small feature (that doesn't prevent you from using the product the way you like) that has been requested by a large number of customers and may get them to like the product better is a definite step in the wrong direction.

By jove, I detect a note of sarcasm in your reply! You seem to have command of a wealth of anecdotes - why do people request this feature? Is it because they're confused, or does it have functionality that is lost in the start screen?

While it may be physically small on screen, is not an insignificant change in functionality.

Really, why stop there - let's bring back the Program Manager!

Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

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For what its worth.... Its my No3 son's 14th birthday and he has gathered enough money for a new PC. He wants a new one for school and games. He is not some geek programming whiz kid. He "uses" a computer, he "consumes" the internet. He is, in short, a mere kid user. He already owns a laptop with Windows 8. The discussion on spec and costs comes round to the operating system. Exact quote: "I don't want windows 8, its…

It reminds me when I installed OpenOffice for my wife many years ago ;-)

Re: Continuing the Windows 8 vision with Windows 8.1

#60

For me, personally, none of these changes interest me, perhaps with the exception of IE11. I've had Windows 8 installed on my desktop PC since it came out as I took advantage of their cheap upgrade offer from Windows 7 (I'd not of paid full price for it). So here are my thoughts on the improvements in Windows 8.1 as someone who uses it on a desktop, with a keyboard and mouse. Personalization: The only time I ever see…

What would've you added to improve Windows on non-touch? Windows on touch is the new thing, and it'd be bad if they didn't improve it. Also, take into account that this isn't "All Windows 8.1 changes". They probably have more to show for non-touch users, but this is what users were complaning about (Start button, Metro multitask...), and as Paul Thurrott unveiled most of these features [1] yesterday I imagine they de…

I would have kept Metro only for small screen touch devices.
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