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Re: Global Warming Delusions

#11
At the heart of the matter is how much faith we decide to put in science -- even how much faith scientists put in science. Our times have benefited from clear-thinking, science-based rationality. I hope this prevails as we try to deal with our changing climate.

Absolutely

Re: Global Warming Delusions

#12

This is the most reasonable, non hysterical (either pro/anti GW) article I have come across in such a long time. No fear mongering about a lack of action. No fear mongering about untold damages action against GW will do to our economies (usually in reference to carbon emissions limitations & taxes). Just so... reasonable.

What makes you think that a "reasonable" stance, as you've defined it, is correct? It seems to me that when you define reasonable as being middle-of-the-road on the consequences of global warming, you're really just using the word as a label to suppress ideas:

http://www.paulgraham.com/labels.html

Re: Global Warming Delusions

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Fair-warning, this IS a WSJ article, and thus should be well-salted when it comes to their editorial stance on the facts in question.

Which facts did you find to be editorialized, specifically?

Ummm, it's an opinion page, selected by the editorial staff.

Re: Global Warming Delusions

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This is the most reasonable, non hysterical (either pro/anti GW) article I have come across in such a long time. No fear mongering about a lack of action. No fear mongering about untold damages action against GW will do to our economies (usually in reference to carbon emissions limitations & taxes). Just so... reasonable.

I thought it was reasonable for the most part too, but the section where he argued because Eric the Red found global warming to his advantage we could also find it in our interests made me a little skeptical.

A little skeptical? That's just about the most intellectually dishonest argument I could imagine. Although to be fair, I think the CEIC ads saying that humans breathe out CO2 so it must be good for the earth probably have Botkin beat.

Re: Global Warming Delusions

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Fair-warning, this IS a WSJ article, and thus should be well-salted when it comes to their editorial stance on the facts in question.

And it's written by someone who has over 40 years of experience in climate modeling... Have you even read the article??

Yes I did, and I noted mainly a fear of fear of global warming. Perhaps this concerned scientist would really rather the public not think about it too much?

Re: Global Warming Delusions

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This is the most reasonable, non hysterical (either pro/anti GW) article I have come across in such a long time. No fear mongering about a lack of action. No fear mongering about untold damages action against GW will do to our economies (usually in reference to carbon emissions limitations & taxes). Just so... reasonable.

I thought it was reasonable for the most part too, but the section where he argued because Eric the Red found global warming to his advantage we could also find it in our interests made me a little skeptical.

A northern passage connecting the Atlantic to the Pacific would be a huge boon to international trade. Canada is already posturing itself to control a possible major new trade route.

Re: Global Warming Delusions

#17

This is the most reasonable, non hysterical (either pro/anti GW) article I have come across in such a long time. No fear mongering about a lack of action. No fear mongering about untold damages action against GW will do to our economies (usually in reference to carbon emissions limitations & taxes). Just so... reasonable.

What makes you think that a "reasonable" stance, as you've defined it, is correct? It seems to me that when you define reasonable as being middle-of-the-road on the consequences of global warming, you're really just using the word as a label to suppress ideas: http://www.paulgraham.com/labels.html

And since you can't argue scientifically with someone who has decades of experience in the field, you're playing with semantics, aren't you?

Re: Global Warming Delusions

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought it was reasonable for the most part too, but the section where he argued because Eric the Red found global warming to his advantage we could also find it in our interests made me a little skeptical.

A northern passage connecting the Atlantic to the Pacific would be a huge boon to international trade. Canada is already posturing itself to control a possible major new trade route.

Yeah that is true and addition to what you said arctic oil reserves would also be more accessible. But I still think that the damages to coastal economies such as the Netherlands from flooding would outweigh the benefits.

My main point though was that the reasoning that the guy was using, a single example of anecdotal evidence, made me a little uncomfortable. Aside from that I think the other points he made were thoughtful.

Re: Global Warming Delusions

#19

I don't know if it's an evidence of global warming or not but the normal temperature at our institute has risen 7 degree celsius from what is was at this same time last year, which is kinda freaky and we are literally really trying hard to survive here !! source - http://iitkgp.ac.in/topfiles/wgraph.php

ten days is hardly a sample.

Re: Global Warming Delusions

#20
The plural of anecdote is not data. And that's what this article presented: don't be afraid of global warming because I could tell you stories about how it's not so bad.

There are many problems the author unfortunately omits. Arctic sea shelves collapse? The ocean rises and millions if not billions may be displaced. How's that for an anecdote.

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