Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps metaphorical, does it matter? Some people talk of God, others use it as a figure of speech. The meaning is largely the same, in this particular case.
Rights come from a metaphorical God?
Why not?
Teacher under fire for informing kids of their Fifth Amendment rights
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also went to FCPS and they did only apply to "in school" but "in school" was very broad (all school-related activities, on the way to/from school). Other school districts can and have applied their codes of conduct to non-school related activities.
Indeed it was, and I was in school when it became that broad. I even wrote about it in the school newspaper. But I still have not heard of a school that says "You used alcohol over the weekend in an activity that we agree is completely unrelated to school, so we will expel you."
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#183I work in Batavia and it was nice to see this make the front page of Hacker News. Just wanted to point out that the hearing taking place tonight will probably be recorded by BATV ( http://batv.us/ ) and available to stream later in the week. Once the recording is posted, I will update with a direct link.
I am told the video of tonight's hearing will be put up on YouTube on Thursday at https://www.youtube.com/user/BATV1017. If I hear anything else, I will post here.
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#184I should like to see the administrator who initiated disciplinary proceedings against this teacher tried and convicted for treason.
In what way could this possibly qualify as "treason"?
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#185"But John Dryden said he's not the point. He wants people to focus on the issue he raised: Whether school officials considered that students could incriminate themselves with their answers to the survey that included questions about drug and alcohol use." To me, that sounds like an unusually thoughtful social studies teacher. He is relating the general concepts that he is hired to teach his students to a real-world s…
I really want to understand this "proprietary information" excuse the school is using to justify not releasing the survey. Certainly the kids can go home and tell their parents what they saw (and some have). The kids didn't sign an NDA, they saw it, so why can't we see it? This story is happening in my town. There is a public hearing tomorrow night and I plan on attending.
Standing here now, waiting for it to start. About 100 people here so far.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really want to understand this "proprietary information" excuse the school is using to justify not releasing the survey. Certainly the kids can go home and tell their parents what they saw (and some have). The kids didn't sign an NDA, they saw it, so why can't we see it? This story is happening in my town. There is a public hearing tomorrow night and I plan on attending.
Standing here now, waiting for it to start. About 100 people here so far.
Looking forward to your observations. Be sure to post a link if you're going to blog the results.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
I heard somewhere that lying to police is punishable by something like three years in jail in the US. Unless you killed someone or are a repeat offender, lying may well get you a harsher sentence than your original crime. And of course, it's very easy to lie accidentally: You may honestly be confused, mis-remember, make a mistake, or tell them a true fact that doesn't fit with incorrect information they obtained from…
Also silence can be taken for assent if you don't explicitly invoke your right to silence. Just not answering isn't good enough sigh .
He sighed. That's the confession we need.
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#188He had two obligations, his moral obligations to his students and his obligation as a school system employee, which were in conflict. He choose his moral obligation to his students, but in doing so violated his obligation as a school system employee. The school system did not ask him to perform anything illegal or definitively immoral. It is therefore correct for the school system to punish him for this violation.
What obligations as a school system employee did he not fulfill?
According to the article there was a specific script to be followed when distributing the survey. By informing the students of their 5th amendment rights he deviated from this script. Beyond this it was obviously the intent of the school system for students to complete the survey fully and honestly. He knowingly took actions which he knew might lead students to not doing so.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really want to understand this "proprietary information" excuse the school is using to justify not releasing the survey. Certainly the kids can go home and tell their parents what they saw (and some have). The kids didn't sign an NDA, they saw it, so why can't we see it? This story is happening in my town. There is a public hearing tomorrow night and I plan on attending.
It's copyrighted information. How much could be released under "fair use" is questionable. Schools abuse copyright in some ways, and probably compensate by being rigorous in others. Further, if it comes from a company that also offers more conventional achievement kinds of tests, it may come with bloodthirsty NDAs, as a matter of habit for such companies.
Can you legally hold students (minors) to an NDA? I wonder what kind out outcome there would be if a 9th-grader photographed and published this survey.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really want to understand this "proprietary information" excuse the school is using to justify not releasing the survey. Certainly the kids can go home and tell their parents what they saw (and some have). The kids didn't sign an NDA, they saw it, so why can't we see it? This story is happening in my town. There is a public hearing tomorrow night and I plan on attending.
Standing here now, waiting for it to start. About 100 people here so far.
Looks like the board authorized a notice of remediation against the teacher. Here is a video of the decision: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Is_Awj4Pvg&feature=youtu....