I find it Ironic that the dean at Harvard has the fortitude to step down when he's caught red-handed violating the civil and constitutional rights of his employees (and yes I recognize that working for someone is not the same as being a citizen of a country), yet our elected leaders, when caught authorizing far more heinous eavesdropping, do nothing, not even so much as apologizing. Whereas an institution MIGHT be ab…
Searches of e-mails are not clearly unconstitutional under our laws.
Harvard College dean steps down (in wake of authorizing e-mail searches)
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ironically in both cases it was not about "finding the criminal" but about finding out who leaked a story to the press. Seems like transparency is not really popular these days.
Didn't you hear? We have "the most transparent government in history"!
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#13I find it Ironic that the dean at Harvard has the fortitude to step down when he's caught red-handed violating the civil and constitutional rights of his employees (and yes I recognize that working for someone is not the same as being a citizen of a country), yet our elected leaders, when caught authorizing far more heinous eavesdropping, do nothing, not even so much as apologizing. Whereas an institution MIGHT be ab…
"he's caught red-handed violating the civil and constitutional rights of his employees" Dean Hammonds is a woman.
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#14I find it Ironic that the dean at Harvard has the fortitude to step down when he's caught red-handed violating the civil and constitutional rights of his employees (and yes I recognize that working for someone is not the same as being a citizen of a country), yet our elected leaders, when caught authorizing far more heinous eavesdropping, do nothing, not even so much as apologizing. Whereas an institution MIGHT be ab…
Searches of e-mails are not clearly unconstitutional under our laws.
That being said, I wasn't trying to draw a direct comparison, and I realize that an employment contract has nothing to do with the constitution. My point was that someone lost their job while holding themselves to the standards of an employment contract which one would assume would be more lenient than our constitution (and in my reading it is but that's a topic for another day).
In short, I agree with your point but I think it's tangential to mine.
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Searches of e-mails are not clearly unconstitutional under our laws.
While this is true, I find it to only be true under the guise of tortured logic (emails left on my server are hardly the same as abandoned mail). That being said, I wasn't trying to draw a direct comparison, and I realize that an employment contract has nothing to do with the constitution. My point was that someone lost their job while holding themselves to the standards of an employment contract which one would assu…
The circle back on topic: there is nothing within the worldview of the Constitution that is inconsistent with a certain activities being allowed of the government that are outside the powers of an individual. You can argue about which entity is the right one to exercise it, but the government is supposed to have more expansive powers than any person.
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#18I'm confused. Isn't it perfectly legal for the institution to search your e-mail records? I know when you work at a company generally the company can monitor everything you do (including e-mail).
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Didn't you hear? We have "the most transparent government in history"!
I'm no fan of Obama, but simplistic political name calling doesn't seem to add much to the conversation.
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#20Glad to see that she's being forced to step down after such an egregious invasion of privacy. But that's just a school. The much more important case is whether anyone in the federal government gets punished when they do the same thing without a warrant. So far, it doesn't look like it.
The Dean of Harvard is stepping down not because there is anything illegal about her searching through the e-mails of faculty (your employer has every right to search your work e-mail), but because it was in bad taste in an academic institution which made the Dean ineffective as a figurehead. Similarly, there is nothing definitively illegal about the federal government asking Google to voluntarily hand over your e-ma…