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Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by cuttooth »

gnaritas wrote: post #59
cuttooth wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't call anyone a name, and I wouldn't be ashamed to say it face-to-face because it is in fact what I think. I'm tired of the JS framework of the week being posted on here in some vague attempt to become the cool new thing on the block. What happened to Backbone? Not cool any more because it's remotely stable? No, of course not, because developers need to have their bespoke framework of the week.

You called web developers and utter embarrassment, that is name calling, and if you said that face to face you might get punched.

They are an embarrassment and I strongly doubt that I'd be punched.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by bti »

nobodysfool wrote: post #46
akurilin wrote: post #32

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One thing to keep in mind is that Skeleton has not seen a single commit in the past year, so it's not clear if the framework is going to be supported long-term. It's probably better as a blueprint for one's own homebrew minimalistic CSS framework.

So a framework needs to update every 6 months just because that would make you feel better about it? Also, your statement is factually incorrect. There was a single commit in the past year. If you had said that next month, you might have been correct. The author is on twitter...

Doesn't need to be updates for the sake of updates. There are open pull requests and issues.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by dualogy »

marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

> Basically, all the really nice stuff you get in Bootstrap and Foundation but without any of the styling

Step 1. Include bootstrap.js

Step 2. Don't include bootstrap.css

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by bglusman »

cuttooth wrote: post #57
joshuacc wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to read the HN guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In particular: Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

I didn't call anyone a name, and I wouldn't be ashamed to say it face-to-face because it is in fact what I think. I'm tired of the JS framework of the week being posted on here in some vague attempt to become the cool new thing on the block. What happened to Backbone? Not cool any more because it's remotely stable? No, of course not, because developers need to have their bespoke framework of the week.

Did you even read his response? This is built on Backbone, as was AirBnB's rendr. There's a valid debate to be had about how and when to start something new vs. customize or work with existing tools, but you're not having that debate. And the fact that you'd say it to their face doesn't mean it isn't name calling.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by jenius »

marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

I'm working on getting there with axis css. It pushed back the design opinions to a css level and makes them modular and easily customizable: http://roots.cx/axis/

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by marcamillion »

dualogy wrote: post #65
marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

> Basically, all the really nice stuff you get in Bootstrap and Foundation but without any of the styling Step 1. Include bootstrap.js Step 2. Don't include bootstrap.css

This doesn't make much sense - because if without bootstrap.css you don't get any of the alignment, grid, button sizing, etc.

I think the OP is referring to all of those things, without the design styling - not the literal styling.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by anonfunction »

mindcrime wrote: post #49
toomuchtodo wrote: post #31

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Check out the contribution license for a chuckle: http://topcoat.io/dev/topcoat-cla.html

Why a chuckle? I like that they at least let you fill out the CLA online. The ASF still requires contributors to fax in a paper form (or they did last time I checked, which was when I did mine, which was, now that I think about it, some time ago, so maybe this long rambling comment is actually pointless after all...) Anyway, the point is, having an online form to submit a CLA seems like a positive step to me, if you'…

It's using bootstrap

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by paulirish »

One of topcoat's goals is to be highly performant CSS (especially on mobile, it's hard to deliver fast UI). To this end they're using the Chromium Telemetry project to benchmark the performance of their CSS continually. Basically CSS Performance Regression Testing.

See http://bench.topcoat.io/ and http://bench.topcoat.io/v2/view/results?date=30& (metrics for time spent in recalc styles, layout, paint, composite layers)

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