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Re: Show HN: Goodbye Old Editor – Reinventing coding with the cloud

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Post by WayneDB »

klibertp wrote: post #5

After taking a look I want to ask about a few features I would expect to say goodbye to my "old" editor (I actually just migrated from VIM to Emacs). Are they there, or are they going to be included? - auto completion, file names, var names, classes and functions, words in general etc. (like in: vim - omnicomplete, emacs: auto-complete) - fill column marker (v: colorcolumn, e: many, fill-column-indicator) - code outl…

Are you sure that you like the idea of in-browser editors? The only feature that I see as useful is the "zero deployment/any device" and I can't imagine that feature coming in handy very often.

What else do you like about them?

If you like vim or emacs - the Cons seem to far outweigh the one Pro that I can see for these types of editors:

  - Online only.
  - Client and service back-end usually not open source.
  - Far less robust, feature-wise.
  - Limited to using these for languages that their back-end supports.
  - Limited by browser technology. For instance:
  Can I break those tabs out to a new window? 
  How well does that perform? 
  Can I middle-click a document-tab to close it? 
  Does it integrate well with the rest of the 
  programs running on my operating system?
To the folks at friendco.de: Sorry for being negative. It's nothing personal - I just prefer native over web for my applications and I'm curious as to what people find to be good about web apps besides the one Pro that I mentioned.

Re: Show HN: Goodbye Old Editor – Reinventing coding with the cloud

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

dreyfiz wrote: post #12

This looks great. When will you shut up and start taking my money? I'm worried of getting too attached, that this beautiful piece of work looks like it has no business model.

www.koding.com is pretty similar, and they've raised about $8m, I'm guessing there's a business plan somewhere.

Re: Show HN: Goodbye Old Editor – Reinventing coding with the cloud

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Post by friendcode »

dreyfiz wrote: post #12

This looks great. When will you shut up and start taking my money? I'm worried of getting too attached, that this beautiful piece of work looks like it has no business model.

Thanks, happy to hear that you like it. We do have a business model and multiple possible revenue streams. The most obvious one being freemium. We're in beta right now, so it made sense for us to keep it free during beta. We will be rolling out pricing as soon as we leave beta.

It'll always be free for individuals, but we'll have paid versions for larger teams and companies.

Re: Show HN: Goodbye Old Editor – Reinventing coding with the cloud

#16

Post by hallowtech »

It would be nice if I didn't have to set up _another_ repo. Integrating with GitHub or BitBucket would be preferred (be backed by, not just import). That said, I wouldn't actually use it since GitHub lets you edit individual files through the UI. Just an observation. The rest looks nice though.

Re: Show HN: Goodbye Old Editor – Reinventing coding with the cloud

#17

Post by friendcode »

WayneDB wrote: post #11
klibertp wrote: post #5

After taking a look I want to ask about a few features I would expect to say goodbye to my "old" editor (I actually just migrated from VIM to Emacs). Are they there, or are they going to be included? - auto completion, file names, var names, classes and functions, words in general etc. (like in: vim - omnicomplete, emacs: auto-complete) - fill column marker (v: colorcolumn, e: many, fill-column-indicator) - code outl…

Are you sure that you like the idea of in-browser editors? The only feature that I see as useful is the "zero deployment/any device" and I can't imagine that feature coming in handy very often. What else do you like about them? If you like vim or emacs - the Cons seem to far outweigh the one Pro that I can see for these types of editors: - Online only. - Client and service back-end usually not open source. - Far less…

No offence taken. That's perfectly understandable.

There are quite a few advantages to cloud based solutions, a major one being "simplicity", by that I mean that they're easy to setup and manage (zero hassle for beginners).

Re: Show HN: Goodbye Old Editor – Reinventing coding with the cloud

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Post by klibertp »

WayneDB wrote: post #11
klibertp wrote: post #5

After taking a look I want to ask about a few features I would expect to say goodbye to my "old" editor (I actually just migrated from VIM to Emacs). Are they there, or are they going to be included? - auto completion, file names, var names, classes and functions, words in general etc. (like in: vim - omnicomplete, emacs: auto-complete) - fill column marker (v: colorcolumn, e: many, fill-column-indicator) - code outl…

Are you sure that you like the idea of in-browser editors? The only feature that I see as useful is the "zero deployment/any device" and I can't imagine that feature coming in handy very often. What else do you like about them? If you like vim or emacs - the Cons seem to far outweigh the one Pro that I can see for these types of editors: - Online only. - Client and service back-end usually not open source. - Far less…

Well, if everything else was equal and all features implemented the "zero deployment/any device" would be a great thing, no? As I said I like the idea, not current implementations.

Personally I would use it - and even if it had only a fraction of functionality I mentioned - for remote pair programming. It's so hard to make people feel comfortable with Emacs/Vim+screen/tmux!

As an aside, I think that an online editor with scripting capability would quickly catch up to native editors in terms of features.

Re: Show HN: Goodbye Old Editor – Reinventing coding with the cloud

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Post by friendcode »

WayneDB wrote: post #11
klibertp wrote: post #5

After taking a look I want to ask about a few features I would expect to say goodbye to my "old" editor (I actually just migrated from VIM to Emacs). Are they there, or are they going to be included? - auto completion, file names, var names, classes and functions, words in general etc. (like in: vim - omnicomplete, emacs: auto-complete) - fill column marker (v: colorcolumn, e: many, fill-column-indicator) - code outl…

Are you sure that you like the idea of in-browser editors? The only feature that I see as useful is the "zero deployment/any device" and I can't imagine that feature coming in handy very often. What else do you like about them? If you like vim or emacs - the Cons seem to far outweigh the one Pro that I can see for these types of editors: - Online only. - Client and service back-end usually not open source. - Far less…

I believe there are advantages and disadvantages to cloud based solutions, objectively the advantages that we offer are the following:

- Easy setup and update (all you need to do is signup) (good for beginners) - Realtime remote pair programming - You no longer need to setup execution environments on your computer locally.

We're definitely far from perfect. However I do think that there's interesting things to do with cloud based solutions, so that's what we're trying to do.

All feedback, for improvements are welcomed.

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