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Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by JoeKM » Tue, May 28, 2013, 8:23 PM UTC

volaski wrote: post #21

alan_cx wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wonderful. If there is a thread about bootstrap, some one posts "why must everything be bootstrap?" Get a thread about a bootstrap alternative and...... bingo!!!! (Not having a go at you personally, Im sure your question was genuine. Just making general observation of the irony)

yes it was a genuine question. i guess i should have phrased it differently. I just wanted to know the difference (or benefit of this over bootstrap). I mean if a wheel is being re-invented, there's gotta be a reason behind it. (I guess "because I can" could be an answer, but I was looking for some good answer)

My problem with your question is the evergrowing lack of critical thinking on HN. I think even PG has eluded to it.

What's the difference from Bootstrap? Why don't you view its source? Read through the framework's documentation? For one the default styling is significantly different than Bootstrap.

The one thing I fondly miss about Slashdot is people would liberally tell you to RTFM when you asked something obvious that could have been answered by reading the article posted.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by packetslave » Tue, May 28, 2013, 8:31 PM UTC

brianleroux wrote: post #4

Fauntleroy wrote: post #3

This looks like a great start, but there are some missing parts and serious issues with the typography. In many places the text size is just too small, while the typeface they're using here is too light for display. The link text under Michael Peterson is a good example of the problem: http://topcoat.io/topcoat/doc/mobile.html#m-well

We're working on it! Pls file issues http://github.com/topcoat/topcoat and we'll get on em. =)

If you type 'pls' because it's shorter than 'please', then I'll type 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by rmrfrmrf » Tue, May 28, 2013, 8:34 PM UTC

What is this, a webapp for ants?!

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, May 28, 2013, 8:35 PM UTC

coderzach wrote: post #37

leetrout wrote: post #19

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Came here to say it. Just saw in the job posting for Amicus: "Open source projects, including our own in house, soon to be open sourced, real time Model View Presenter javascript framework with bi-directional data binding" Are the existing libs so bad everyone has to reinvent the wheel constantly?

Amicus engineer here. It's actually built on top of Backbone, in a similar vein as Airbnb's rendr. It allows our front-end to be pre-rendered on the server, and sent to the client as static html, as well as some other cool stuff. > Are the existing libs so bad everyone has to reinvent the wheel constantly? To actually answer your question: yes. Existing libs for building large scale apps are in a transition period fr…

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Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by riquito » Tue, May 28, 2013, 8:46 PM UTC

mikehc wrote: post #16

I know all of you use Linux and OSX, but this renders horrible in Windows (IE and Chrome).

Worry not, it renders horribly on Linux too (the fonts for sure) (or maybe our taste and the author's are very different)

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by hmottestad » Tue, May 28, 2013, 8:47 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #31

patrickaljord wrote: post #30

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> and your website isn't providing me any reason why as well. Looks like it's an Adobe project.

Check out the contribution license for a chuckle: http://topcoat.io/dev/topcoat-cla.html

Haha.

Checked the source, and yes, it's bootstrap. Believe in your own product and everything :D

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by cuttooth » Tue, May 28, 2013, 8:56 PM UTC

joshuacc wrote: post #50

cuttooth wrote: post #39

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Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to never have any sort of stable, widely-accepted solution built over a long period of time. Let's just keep having a new artisanal web framework of the week. Web developers are an utter fucking embarrassment and shit like this is exactly why.

You may want to read the HN guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In particular: Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

I didn't call anyone a name, and I wouldn't be ashamed to say it face-to-face because it is in fact what I think. I'm tired of the JS framework of the week being posted on here in some vague attempt to become the cool new thing on the block. What happened to Backbone? Not cool any more because it's remotely stable? No, of course not, because developers need to have their bespoke framework of the week.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by gnaritas » Tue, May 28, 2013, 9:13 PM UTC

JoeKM wrote: post #51

volaski wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes it was a genuine question. i guess i should have phrased it differently. I just wanted to know the difference (or benefit of this over bootstrap). I mean if a wheel is being re-invented, there's gotta be a reason behind it. (I guess "because I can" could be an answer, but I was looking for some good answer)

My problem with your question is the evergrowing lack of critical thinking on HN. I think even PG has eluded to it. What's the difference from Bootstrap? Why don't you view its source? Read through the framework's documentation? For one the default styling is significantly different than Bootstrap. The one thing I fondly miss about Slashdot is people would liberally tell you to RTFM when you asked something obvious t…

Then go back to slashdot and be rude there.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by gnaritas » Tue, May 28, 2013, 9:15 PM UTC

cuttooth wrote: post #57

joshuacc wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to read the HN guidelines: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html In particular: Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say in a face to face conversation. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

I didn't call anyone a name, and I wouldn't be ashamed to say it face-to-face because it is in fact what I think. I'm tired of the JS framework of the week being posted on here in some vague attempt to become the cool new thing on the block. What happened to Backbone? Not cool any more because it's remotely stable? No, of course not, because developers need to have their bespoke framework of the week.

You called web developers and utter embarrassment, that is name calling, and if you said that face to face you might get punched.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by ww520 » Tue, May 28, 2013, 9:17 PM UTC

May be just my browser setting but the fonts rendered in Firefox (Win64) look really bad, thin and pixelized; looked like anit-alias has been turned off.