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Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by toomuchtodo »

patrickaljord wrote: post #30
eggbrain wrote: post #9

I'm finding it hard to think up ways that this differentiates itself enough from Foundation or Bootstrap to be useful -- and your website isn't providing me any reason why as well. Compare to http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/ and http://foundation.zurb.com/ , which list some benefits right on the page -- you need people to instantly understand why they should use your framework over another css framework. Also, mak…

> and your website isn't providing me any reason why as well. Looks like it's an Adobe project.

Check out the contribution license for a chuckle:

http://topcoat.io/dev/topcoat-cla.html

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by akurilin »

JangoSteve wrote: post #28
marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

I think this is exactly what Skeleton tries to be. http://www.getskeleton.com/ I will say though that Foundation is much easier to customize styles for than Bootstrap, which is one of the primary reasons we now use Bootstrap for internal apps or side projects which we don't intend to implement a custom design, but Foundation for all sites which we plan on designing.

One thing to keep in mind is that Skeleton has not seen a single commit in the past year, so it's not clear if the framework is going to be supported long-term. It's probably better as a blueprint for one's own homebrew minimalistic CSS framework.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by yareally »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #31
patrickaljord wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and your website isn't providing me any reason why as well. Looks like it's an Adobe project.

Check out the contribution license for a chuckle: http://topcoat.io/dev/topcoat-cla.html

Although Adobe is a commercial entity, that seems like pretty standard boilerplate (at least parts about making sure you're the sole owner and such). When I wanted to contribute to the android cyanogenmod project, they had a similar agreement online.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

#37

Post by coderzach »

leetrout wrote: post #19
Ixiaus wrote: post #14

Is it just me, or is the proliferation of CSS frameworks and JS frameworks/libs redundant now?

Came here to say it. Just saw in the job posting for Amicus: "Open source projects, including our own in house, soon to be open sourced, real time Model View Presenter javascript framework with bi-directional data binding" Are the existing libs so bad everyone has to reinvent the wheel constantly?

Amicus engineer here. It's actually built on top of Backbone, in a similar vein as Airbnb's rendr. It allows our front-end to be pre-rendered on the server, and sent to the client as static html, as well as some other cool stuff. > Are the existing libs so bad everyone has to reinvent the wheel constantly?

To actually answer your question: yes. Existing libs for building large scale apps are in a transition period from server-side only apps to something more akin to native apps, and no one has come up with a great way to do it yet.

Honestly I hope people keep "reinventing the wheel". Web Development isn't in a place where we can just accept the state of the art and call it a day.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by Spiritus »

marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

Take a look at Nicolas Gallagher's (necolas) Suit toolkit:

https://github.com/necolas/suit

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

#39

Post by cuttooth »

coderzach wrote: post #37
leetrout wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came here to say it. Just saw in the job posting for Amicus: "Open source projects, including our own in house, soon to be open sourced, real time Model View Presenter javascript framework with bi-directional data binding" Are the existing libs so bad everyone has to reinvent the wheel constantly?

Amicus engineer here. It's actually built on top of Backbone, in a similar vein as Airbnb's rendr. It allows our front-end to be pre-rendered on the server, and sent to the client as static html, as well as some other cool stuff. > Are the existing libs so bad everyone has to reinvent the wheel constantly? To actually answer your question: yes. Existing libs for building large scale apps are in a transition period fr…

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to never have any sort of stable, widely-accepted solution built over a long period of time. Let's just keep having a new artisanal web framework of the week.

Web developers are an utter fucking embarrassment and shit like this is exactly why.

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