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Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by volaski »

alan_cx wrote: post #13
volaski wrote: post #5

why this instead of bootstrap?

Wonderful. If there is a thread about bootstrap, some one posts "why must everything be bootstrap?" Get a thread about a bootstrap alternative and...... bingo!!!! (Not having a go at you personally, Im sure your question was genuine. Just making general observation of the irony)

yes it was a genuine question. i guess i should have phrased it differently. I just wanted to know the difference (or benefit of this over bootstrap). I mean if a wheel is being re-invented, there's gotta be a reason behind it. (I guess "because I can" could be an answer, but I was looking for some good answer)

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by venomsnake »

leetrout wrote: post #19
Ixiaus wrote: post #14

Is it just me, or is the proliferation of CSS frameworks and JS frameworks/libs redundant now?

Came here to say it. Just saw in the job posting for Amicus: "Open source projects, including our own in house, soon to be open sourced, real time Model View Presenter javascript framework with bi-directional data binding" Are the existing libs so bad everyone has to reinvent the wheel constantly?

Well ... depends. The website stuff is awesome. The current "problem" is that people want to build what are in effect native apps using the browser as a runtime and presentation layer. So there is lots of things that need to be done for it to work.

In a sense we need our MFC for the web.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by marknutter »

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like yet another bootstrap site (YABS) and overriding all of bootstrap/foundations/whatever's styles is a huge PITA. I usually just end up rolling everything from scratch for sites where I want full control over the design.

edit: I'll post this as an edit since there are multiple responses referring to http://www.getskeleton.com. Skeleton is similar to what I'm asking for but it seems to have stopped short. I would love to see unstyled carousels, alerts, modals, sticky headers, images with inline comments, etc. Basically, all the really nice stuff you get in Bootstrap and Foundation but without any of the styling.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by websirnik »

marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

You might want to look at BEM, it's methodology that telling you how to structure your css/js/markup. http://bem.info/ (developed by Yandex)

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by ninjay »

marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

Have you checked out Skeleton? http://www.getskeleton.com/

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by blainsmith »

marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

I've used http://unsemantic.com (layout only) and http://www.getskeleton.com (layout and minimal design) with good results.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by JangoSteve »

marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

I think this is exactly what Skeleton tries to be.

http://www.getskeleton.com/

I will say though that Foundation is much easier to customize styles for than Bootstrap, which is one of the primary reasons we now use Bootstrap for internal apps or side projects which we don't intend to implement a custom design, but Foundation for all sites which we plan on designing.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by daigoba66 »

marknutter wrote: post #24

I would personally like to see a CSS framework that has absolutely zero opinions about design. Meaning, radio buttons are actually the standard html5 radio buttons, but perhaps with titles handled in a unified way that works across all browsers. Form elements are given proper layout CSS that solves a lot of common issues across all browsers but no additional styling is added. Etc. I don't want my site to look like ye…

So basically just a reset.css and a grid (possibly a responsive grid)? That is pretty simple to conjure up.

Re: Topcoat – CSS for clean and fast web apps

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Post by patrickaljord »

eggbrain wrote: post #9

I'm finding it hard to think up ways that this differentiates itself enough from Foundation or Bootstrap to be useful -- and your website isn't providing me any reason why as well. Compare to http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/ and http://foundation.zurb.com/ , which list some benefits right on the page -- you need people to instantly understand why they should use your framework over another css framework. Also, mak…

> and your website isn't providing me any reason why as well.

Looks like it's an Adobe project.

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