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Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by dubcanada »

iopq wrote: post #8

It's like I'm really using Chrome! Although probably everyone saw this coming - it's just a skin of Chromium. They just took a few months to make a new mail client and put Opera icons everywhere.

Oh yes, cause that's clearly all they have been doing. Not completely changing their entire business, learning how Chromium works, building their mobile version, changing a complete theme, separating mail client, I could go on and on but I think you get the picture.

You clearly don't develop software, if you think all they did the last 3 months is add icons.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#102

Post by Geee »

kmfrk wrote: post #89

This is a bigger PR disaster than Xbox One. Everyone is criticizing Opera for the gutted features.

These are the old users who are whining. Opera's old user base is a good riddance. Opera was a slow, bloated browser, which no-one wanted to use. Now it has a chance at being a decent browser and acquiring a new user base, who doesn't care about those 'gutted features'.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#103

Post by faaaah »

ksec wrote: post #40
faaaah wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just a skin. It's a new interface remade from scratch. And unlike Chrome it's actually native. Must have been a massive undertaking. The new email client seems to be the old Opera only with browsing features removed. Must have been a quick job. So on both of these it's the opposite of what you are claiming...

It doesn;t allow Tab Overflow or any other UI features suggest to me this is nothing more or a Rework of Skin instead of a whole new UI rewritten from scratch.

Pet features not being implemented yet doesn't mean it's a skin. Read what the Opera devs are writing instead of speculating.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by upthedale »

andreastt wrote: post #50
anonymfus wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Below there is a list not so important missing features. No thumbnails/previews in tab bar. No any customisation of toolbars. No fast forward. One-key keyboard shortcuts work, but funny: in text boxes they work simultaneous with text input. Ctrl+Z don't open old tabs. No image properties, so no EXIF viewer.

Guys, please remember that the browser has been rebuilt from scratch. It's going to take a while to get all of the features we want back in.

Having spent 2 mins with it, aside from what has already been mentioned...

No mouse chording (distinct from gestures). Wikipedia even highlights Opera as a key implementation of mouse chording, and now its gone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_chording

No closed tabs drop down. Its not uncommon for me to want to dig out a tab I may have closed 20 tabs ago. Reopening one-by-one is terrible.

No forward slash search (á la Vim, or indeed, Firefox)

If these things aren't tabled for Opera 15's release, then thats it, I'll be back to Firefox after 9 years on Opera. These sort of small features are Opera's bread and butter, things that have become second nature to me, and I suspect many. Certainly for me, its these little things that have kept me on Opera until now.

Where can we go to provide feedback? The OP provides no obvious link.

Trying to be positive, Stash looks like it might be useful.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#105

Post by kmfrk »

Geee wrote: post #102
kmfrk wrote: post #89

This is a bigger PR disaster than Xbox One. Everyone is criticizing Opera for the gutted features.

These are the old users who are whining. Opera's old user base is a good riddance. Opera was a slow, bloated browser, which no-one wanted to use. Now it has a chance at being a decent browser and acquiring a new user base, who doesn't care about those 'gutted features'.

    Now it has a chance at being a decent browser and 
    acquiring a new user base, who doesn't care about those 
    'gutted features'.
By doing what, exactly?

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by dgesang »

bobsy wrote: post #95
pornel wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Opera is bloated!" is a common complaint and users assume that having e-mail/rss/irc client makes browser fat and slow (even though Opera with those features used less RAM and disk space than some other "lean" browsers).

Did Opera ever target these users? I always thought the selling point was the e-mail /rss / irc etc. The things Opera came bundled with. I am sure these will still be available via extensions but then again I don't see the point of Opera now. It is now the same as Chrome. Each browser has its own selling point. I feel that Opera has lost its by stripping out email and providing no news on other features. I always int…

> I always thought the selling point was the e-mail /rss / irc etc

None of these are 'selling points'. There is better software available for Email, RSS and IRC. If you don't want many tools, ok, you might like Opera more, but they are no reason to choose Opera over any other browser.

The reasons I choose Opera for my daily work are:

  - awesome UI (yes, it actually *is* better than Chrome or FF)
  - feature-rich
  - fast
  - smart caching
  - best incognito mode integration
  - superior integrated download manager
  - pages actually do scroll smoothly
  - stable with dozens of tabs, see http://i.imgur.com/Z55rPDh.png
Also, Opera has always brought innovation with it, e.g. tab-sessions, Speeddial, Tabgroups, Opera Link, Opera Unite, reloading tabs on startup, etc ...

At the end of the day a browser is a tool and you have to pick the right one for your task. For browsing, Opera clearly wins - at least it does for me. See also my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5176327

@Topic: Opera Next is currently just another Chrome skin. Lets hope they don't forget to implement what makes them special.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#107

Post by dgesang »

ch_123 wrote: post #80
anonymfus wrote: post #38

No middle click on tab bar to create new tab. Simple mouse gestures work, but without visual guide, configuration and without right click + scroll. Most horrible thing: MDI don't work. Popups opens in new window, like other browsers, instead of new tabs, like old Opera! Alerts currently don't have any chrome, so may be they would develop this later. Opera Link don't work. Text selection in links via mouse don't work.…

Two things I noticed - 1. No tab 'recycle bin' (you can get this with extensions in other browsers, but I always liked that Opera had it out of the box.) 2. The downloader is similar to Chrome's one, and I've always hated Chome's downloader. I want my browser to ask me whether I want to open the file (i.e. save into /tmp and open) or to save. I download a lot of things such as Office documents, tarballs, torrent file…

Extensions are much slower and annoying to manage. If Opera Next does not include all the features Opera users used to have (the bin is just one of them) then none of them will actually use it. If we wanted Chrome, we would use it.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#108

Post by nuttendorfer »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #94
nuttendorfer wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been this way for the last few versions or rather since they changed the UI in version 11 I think. This allows you do double click this array to return to window mode or "drag it down" from maximized which will return it to window mode (Windows).

What OS? I have Firefox for Windows and have no unclickable space between the top of the tabs and top of the screen. I've never experienced that before on any release I can remember.

Opera on Windows, sorry I should have made that clear.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#109

Post by notrub225 »

fetbaffe wrote: post #64
terhechte wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interesting question is, what do you get in Chrome. Obviously chromium is faster than the old Opera, the question is what has the new Opera to offer against the standard Chromium.

My Chrome version 27 on the same machine 14,376,750 Opera next is reported as Chrome version 28.

My Chrome Canary is version 29 tho

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#110

Post by notrub225 »

lovamova wrote: post #74
dalys wrote: post #72

I just tried the Peacekeeper benchmark from Futuremark ( http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com/ ) on both Chrome and Opera Next on Windows 8 x64. The results: Chrome Version 26.0.1410.64 m: 2418 points, HTML5 Capabilities 5/7 Opera Next Version 15.0.1147.18: 4248 points, HTML5 Capabilities 5/7 Anyone else get similar results?

That's because Opera 15 is based on Chrome 28.

Yep, a better comparison would be Opera Next and Chrome Canary
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