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Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#52

Post by shrikant »

lostsock wrote: post #39
claudius wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most annoying feature in Chrome to me is its inability to select text. Yes, you read that right, it is impossible to select text in Chrome. Instead, what you get is selected elements – divs, headlines and the like, which causes horrible breakage if you just want to select (and then copy) simple letters.

Huh? I'm using chrome now and can easily select single letters, words or your whole comment. Care to elaborate? Windows 7 - Version 27.0.1453.94 m (which BTWI copied and pasted from Chromes about page)

This is what claudius means (screenshots from the latest versions running on Ubuntu 13.04):

Firefox: http://i.imgur.com/2yPmm0K.png

Chrome: http://i.imgur.com/EXz8wQF.png

FWIW, I have the not uncommon affliction of selecting text on articles and blog posts as I read along. Chrome's text selection "paradigm" is greatly annoying as it tends to be a little, uh, unpredictable on layouts with a middling level of complexity.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#53

Post by anonymfus »

andreastt wrote: post #50
anonymfus wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Below there is a list not so important missing features. No thumbnails/previews in tab bar. No any customisation of toolbars. No fast forward. One-key keyboard shortcuts work, but funny: in text boxes they work simultaneous with text input. Ctrl+Z don't open old tabs. No image properties, so no EXIF viewer.

Guys, please remember that the browser has been rebuilt from scratch. It's going to take a while to get all of the features we want back in.

This is simple list of such features.

Judging by past Opera development, they always need massive complains to fix something.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#54

Post by omgmog »

bambax wrote: post #51

Remember this ad, from exactly three years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaT7thTxyq8 And now after all this, they made Opera just a skin for Chrome? These people have no respect for themselves.

It's still faster than a potato!

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#55

Post by fetbaffe »

peroo wrote: post #26
bobsy wrote: post #15

I don't get it. Maybe i misremember but I thought Opera was a feature rich browser with an email client, widgets and a bunch of other stuff. Now mail has been shunted into its own product. I don't see widgets. It really looks and feels like a skin for Chrome and nothing more which makes me wonder what the point is. If I want Chrome I will use Chrome. OK, this is a preview but the news doesn't suggest any of these old…

Widgets have been a zombie product for years, with virtually no users and no development. It was actually removed from Opera about a year ago IIRC, so Chrome had nothing to do with it. The only thing I'll miss from O12 is Dragonfly. Probably just a habit, but I found it much more intuitive and well designed.

Dragonfly is one of the best!

Maybe its still alive but not released yet depending on what they mean with this job offer

http://business.opera.com/company/jobs/opening/372/

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

#56

Post by fetbaffe »

porker wrote: post #20

If the mail client is good, then having it stand-alone is a great idea - with Thunderbird no longer updated I could do with an alternative on Windows (something that uses less RAM than keeping GMail open in a Chrome tab...)

Yes! I never liked the idea of having my mail and browsing experience tied to the same process and effecting everything. (Yes you can Opera Mail with another profile, but thats just confusing when opening links from mails etc)

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by acqq »

anonymfus wrote: post #41
anonymfus wrote: post #38

No middle click on tab bar to create new tab. Simple mouse gestures work, but without visual guide, configuration and without right click + scroll. Most horrible thing: MDI don't work. Popups opens in new window, like other browsers, instead of new tabs, like old Opera! Alerts currently don't have any chrome, so may be they would develop this later. Opera Link don't work. Text selection in links via mouse don't work.…

Below there is a list not so important missing features. No thumbnails/previews in tab bar. No any customisation of toolbars. No fast forward. One-key keyboard shortcuts work, but funny: in text boxes they work simultaneous with text input. Ctrl+Z don't open old tabs. No image properties, so no EXIF viewer.

Bookmarks. I can't use the browser without normal bookmarks.

The main reason I use Opera: Editing preferences for every site separately.

Starting from the scratch and reimplementing everything that was slowly improved through many years is impossible. The proper way is replacing/improving piece by piece of the system. The management should have read

http://www.insearchofstupidity.com/

But they won't blame themselves to lose what's left of their loyal customer base if they just deliver a rebranded Chromium.

Re: Opera 15 Preview for Windows and Mac with Chromium Engine Released

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Post by lepunk »

Opera has been my primary browser since version 9 or so. When I heard the announcement that they will use the Chromium engine I was actually quite happy. They have been contributing to web standards a lot and with the power of the Chrome community I'm sure we will see big innovations.

However this preview release is a big downer for me. I know it is a work in progress but it is missing some key features like the RSS reader, the ctrl + z combo to bring back closed tabs and many more. So I'm not switching just yet but I'm hopeful.

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