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Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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I'd really like to see a low-tax, low regulation part of the US (WA, NV, TX, or TN) where someone buys a few thousand acres and lets people build "temporary" structures (with power/fiber/wifi/etc.) for living and solo-working, combined with some more permanent structures for offices, meetings, socialization, etc. Essentially like a 2-5 year Burning Man encampment campus for various startup projects.

If someone's "personal burn rate", while living comfortably and efficiently, were $10-15k/yr (while still eating great food, socializing, medical care, etc.), it would make mostly-equity compensation as part of a founding team really viable.

The point would be to get the benefits of density without the costs of luxury.

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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Couple comments. I didn't research the exact numbers in the post. I heard the house was sold for $4k, and the point wasn't about the exact price, but my perception of life after growing up in an area of constant economic decline.

Also one of my goals for 2013 was to hit the home page of HN. I didn't think my first attempt would do it. Thanks!

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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WTF? If an house can be built for $12000, why are flats selling for $100k+ routinely?!?!? If it's just due to land value, then why not build ultra-tall skyscrapers to amortize it?

If finishing a small school in Africa (materials only, labor is being volunteered) is estimated at around 25,000$, I can agree about your wonder. (Sorry for the plug, but it's for a noble cause I think) http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ewb-lets-build-a-school-in...

Our building codes and prevailing standards make stuff a lot more expensive, plus it's hard to get labor volunteered for private housing...

Awesome project, though.

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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Homeowners of HN: how do you justify tying up a large percentage of your net worth in a home?

You're asking two questions:

1. Why do you choose to live in a house rather than an apartment?

2. Why do you choose to own that house, rather than rent it?

To the first question, a house often provides a much higher quality of life than an apartment. You might get a backyard garden, or a workbench, a guest room, an office, a full kitchen, etc... and, you can drill all the holes you want, paint it your favorite color, and so on.

To the second question, buying a house rather than renting it generally increases your options by about a hundredfold -- many, many more houses are available for sale than for rent. And while property tax can be painful, it's generally substantially cheaper than what you'd pay in rent on the equivalent property. So you get to save a lot more of your income, or at least apply it to paying down your mortgage.

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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I'm from the same town, and now live in the Bay Area. I still can not get used to the housing prices here...which have been increasing recently: http://www.mercurynews.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay... When I visit my hometown, I feel like all the prices are in a different currency.

I didn't think there were many other people from Chautauqua county here.

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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Homeowners of HN: how do you justify tying up a large percentage of your net worth in a home?

In my case the tax deductions make it effectively $500/mo cheaper than renting a comparable apartment and the yearly coop fee increases are less than the yearly increases in rent. Doing some real quick math, I think, ignoring appreciation, its roughly an 8% ROI on the money tied up in the downpayment.

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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(This is more of a response to several of the comments posted so far.)

I'd like to come to the defense of low-cost living but also acknowledge that (expensive) city living has its obvious pluses that people already in SV might be taking for granted.

I created a low-cost living situation while living in a big (old/pretty) house in New Hampshire by renting out all of the rooms to friends. My rent is "free" and utilities are split 5 ways ($50 per person in summer, $150 in winter. Heating the house is expensive). If you can stand living with other people, I think this is one of the better ways to bootstrap "new job out of college" money instead of putting a down-payment on a smaller home that might not bring in any cash.

The house just so happens to be the house I grew up in, which my father sold in 2005 and foreclosed on in 2010 (ultra-conveniently, the year I graduated from college). It needed lots of work, so instead of trying to (re)sell it for cheap I made a deal to fix it up while living in it for reduced rent. Three friends living there cover the rent.

The house may be worth more in the future than current rates, and certainly has its share of things-needing-fixing, and my friends pay below-market rent rates, so it seems like a good deal for everyone involved.

If I did not have such a house, I think I'd try to buy one and do the same thing. It's nice to have some communal society around after college. (I've planned other things in my life to try to re-create that, too, because I think its important and under-acknowledged.)

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It's worth noting that there are downsides to living in a lower-cost-than-SV/Major City area. I don't have any programmer friends in real life outside of the people at my work (a very tiny company, and no one is remotely near my age (24)). That becomes a little problematic. I'm reminded of a quote from John le Carre:

> Coming home from very lonely places, all of us go a little mad: whether from great personal success, or just an all-night drive, we are the sole survivors of a world no one else has ever seen.

It's hard to talk about programming things and I think that's bad. I'm not around as many career-driven people as I'd like to be either and I think that's bad too. I end up spending a lot of time on the internet to talk about those areas of my interest. (And especially HN: I have a lot of affection for the repeated names in this place, even if we all tend to be a tad too negative. Consistent commentors still make a community and I'm thankful for that. Really.)

So it's a good setup. And while my salary isn't amazing it's more than enough for my area, and I love my walkable, lovable hometown in New Hampshire. But there's certainly something to be said for cities and high cost areas. I miss being around as many smart people as there were in college.

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On a note actually related to the article, when I drove around western NY - went to college at RPI, near Albany and headed west for Craigslist ventures - the places I saw just seemed surreal. Some parts of western NY, if you were just dropped there with no context, you'd think to yourself "A war must have happened here maybe 30 years ago". Strange levels of decay and halted-/de- construction

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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Worth pointing out is that even $40,000 houses appear to have $1,800 a year tax bills. Treating that tax as a perpetuity you would need to invest 1800/.0357 = $50139 at mortgage rates to break even. It's still surprisingly inexpensive, but property taxes tell at least some of the story. A $4000 sedan that obligates you to $2000 in annual license fees is not a particularly good deal, even if it will run for another ten years.

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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post #31

I'd really like to see a low-tax, low regulation part of the US (WA, NV, TX, or TN) where someone buys a few thousand acres and lets people build "temporary" structures (with power/fiber/wifi/etc.) for living and solo-working, combined with some more permanent structures for offices, meetings, socialization, etc. Essentially like a 2-5 year Burning Man encampment campus for various startup projects. If someone's "per…

I think you forgot a crucial bit of infrastructure that's a lot harder to slap together than power or internet: plumbing.

Re: The house I was born in sold for $4000

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post #31

I'd really like to see a low-tax, low regulation part of the US (WA, NV, TX, or TN) where someone buys a few thousand acres and lets people build "temporary" structures (with power/fiber/wifi/etc.) for living and solo-working, combined with some more permanent structures for offices, meetings, socialization, etc. Essentially like a 2-5 year Burning Man encampment campus for various startup projects. If someone's "per…

I think you forgot a crucial bit of infrastructure that's a lot harder to slap together than power or internet: plumbing.

Septic tanks and water tanks work pretty well in semi-ruralish areas; you could either have a couple of trucks, or lay pipe. Or, have no plumbing in the temporary structures themselves, but have shower/bathroom trailers (which, admittedly, would suck a bit) separate from the temporary structures.

I assume you'd build more infrastructure with time; putting in a real sewage plant would be expensive up-front and not really worth it for ~50 people on 2000 acres, but maybe in time.

(You could even probably do zero-grid, with wifi/wimax/4g coverage to a couple of hard points with fiber, and decentralized electrical generation on each structure using solar/wind + batteries, at least to start.)

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