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BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

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Re: BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

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post #21

One thing I've wanted to do is access files remotely without downloading them (streaming/virtual drives, etc). Do any of these services allow that (BTsync, dropbox, aeroFS), or am I forced to download files before accessing them?

Checkout Bitcasa [https://www.bitcasa.com/]. If I understand you correctly it does what you want. Their website is frustratingly scarce on technical details but I've tried it and it works as they describe it.

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#52
post #33

I looked at BTSync the other day when researching self-hosted Dropbox alternatives. It looks like a great product and so far beats the pants off the closest competitor, Seafile, for ease of install and use. I was really impressed. But unfortunately it's not open source, so it comes down to an issue of trust--which, in the end, is the same issue with Dropbox and really the entire point of moving to self-hosted for me.…

Would accessing your files using a shared POSIX compatible filesystem that's stored in your own S3 bucket be a possible alternative to self-hosting? With everything encrypted using the NaCl crypto library and stored directly on Amazon S3 with no middleman?

I wanted exactly that and built ObjectiveFS. You can try the free preview at https://objectivefs.com

Re: BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

#53

imho there are only two killers out there btsync & seafile. - btsync has the ease of use that seafile doens't have - seafile has optional file versionning that btsync doesn't have

Checkout AeroFS, it's P2P, it can do versioning with the team server and has a pretty nice UI.

Re: BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

#54
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you put a file into a Dropbox-synced folder/directory, Dropbox first syncs the file to their cloud storage in AWS. Once that sync is completed , Dropbox starts to sync to other devices. If you want to sync a large file, you must wait for the cloud sync to complete before it will start to copy it to other devices, which could take longer than copying with a flash drive. I assumed that was the meaning behind the s…

That's true, but there is a special case if both computers are on the same LAN, the Dropbox client software will sync locally which is much faster.

Nope, even on LAN you have to wait until the file is on the server before the direct transfer starts.

Re: BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

#55
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you put a file into a Dropbox-synced folder/directory, Dropbox first syncs the file to their cloud storage in AWS. Once that sync is completed , Dropbox starts to sync to other devices. If you want to sync a large file, you must wait for the cloud sync to complete before it will start to copy it to other devices, which could take longer than copying with a flash drive. I assumed that was the meaning behind the s…

That's true, but there is a special case if both computers are on the same LAN, the Dropbox client software will sync locally which is much faster.

I think it has to complete the cloud sync first before it syncs across the local network. It will take advantage of the LAN, but not as immediately as you'd like.

Re: BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

#56

It has a massive problem which Dropbox solves: the need for both computers to be on at the same time. I have a laptop. I have a desktop. They are almost never on at the same time. With Dropbox this is _fine_ - the files go from one to the cloud, and then to the other when it's turned on. With BTSync, this would mean that my files would never sync.

Exactly, this is the big issue that is never mentioned in the Forbes article nor the BT Sync docs. Maybe it's obvious in hindsight, but since they're comparing it to Dropbox and all... However with the daemon running on a Linode instance or something like that, I suppose that's no longer a problem.

Unfortunately with BT Sync there's no way to have it running somewhere while keeping the data encrypted.

I don't want any potential attacker on my server to have access to my unencrypted files.

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#57
post #6

Hilarious article. "there is no need to route through the cloud which can slow things down " wtf, no editorial oversight of tech material at Forbes? The rest is shit too.

Although I didn't read the article, having just assumed it was shit based on the title and publication, "routing through the cloud" does slow things down with Dropbox, often dramatically.

I have gigabit fiber at home, and a 100Mbps link at work. BTSync syncs at about 5MB/sec which is close to real world SFTP speeds between those locations.

Dropbox sync speeds are on the order of a few hundred KB/sec, and sometimes an abysmal 50KB/sec. That's to the Dropbox cloud, and then it takes even longer to actually sync out from the Dropbox cloud to the other location.

Re: BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

#58
post #33

I looked at BTSync the other day when researching self-hosted Dropbox alternatives. It looks like a great product and so far beats the pants off the closest competitor, Seafile, for ease of install and use. I was really impressed. But unfortunately it's not open source, so it comes down to an issue of trust--which, in the end, is the same issue with Dropbox and really the entire point of moving to self-hosted for me.…

Would accessing your files using a shared POSIX compatible filesystem that's stored in your own S3 bucket be a possible alternative to self-hosting? With everything encrypted using the NaCl crypto library and stored directly on Amazon S3 with no middleman? I wanted exactly that and built ObjectiveFS. You can try the free preview at https://objectivefs.com

The main issue he had with BitSYnc was it wasn't open source and you suggest to him not only a closed source alternative but proprietary as well.

Re: BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

#59
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, but there is a special case if both computers are on the same LAN, the Dropbox client software will sync locally which is much faster.

Nope, even on LAN you have to wait until the file is on the server before the direct transfer starts.

Huh, never realized. Thanks for the info.

Re: BitTorrent Sync Is A Dropbox Killer, Or Maybe Much More Than That

#60
post #33

I looked at BTSync the other day when researching self-hosted Dropbox alternatives. It looks like a great product and so far beats the pants off the closest competitor, Seafile, for ease of install and use. I was really impressed. But unfortunately it's not open source, so it comes down to an issue of trust--which, in the end, is the same issue with Dropbox and really the entire point of moving to self-hosted for me.…

How hard would an open source equivalent of BTSync be to create? This isn't advocacy; it's just a literal question. In a world where everyone uses multiple devices to access his or her "stuff", it seems as though something as fundamental as secure file sync'ing is going to become fundamental infrastructure in which an open source solution would be strongly preferred. How likely it is to happen soon would depend on how hard it is to do.
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