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Re: Ask HN: What Freelancer site do you recommend?

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All online freelance marketplaces suffer from some variation of this problem. Either unskilled workers, generic bids, unverified skills, spam..

As @wilfra and others say you can try to filter by hourly rate or target freelancers in certain countries and you're bound to find someone good. And when you do it's a good idea to keep them on speed dial. You should also definitely look at the monthly threads here on HN of people looking for freelance work.

We've had the same problem you're in and decided to do something about it by creating http://socialance.com - A site that aims to fix online freelancing.

If anyone wants to help us shape the future of freelancing, please get in touch!

Re: Ask HN: What Freelancer site do you recommend?

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post #65

Hi there, I'm the CEO of Freelancer.com. I'd be interested to know what problem you ran into?

I was a pretty regular worker on vWorker -- in the top several hundred in terms of income -- and I've been very unhappy with the transition to freelancer. The major issues I've encountered are: * Extreme difficulty communicating with clients on the site during the bidding process. If there's a way to discuss terms and details on a prospective project, I haven't found it yet. * Getting paid, in the US, is difficult, e…

I'm a not a big Freelancer fan, as you can see from my other comment. However, I think Freelancer does a better job at sorting the low spam bidders than ever did vWorker. On vWorker I've seen $1 - $3 bids on certain projects.

Re: Ask HN: What Freelancer site do you recommend?

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hijack, but what's with the compensation estimates on gun.io? It seems like there is some good work on the site but everything seems to be $10k, but there is no basis for the price (is it project pricing, is it per week, did the client estimate it or did you?) I'm interested in using the site, I guess I just don't know how.

Hey man - awesome, thanks for the question. we clearly have a self-interest in talking about this publicly, but I don't wanna derail the ongoing conversation!! I'd track you down but maybe that'd be a bit weird! Just drop me a line at teja@gun.io and let's chat! Although, just so it's not like I'm dodging your question for any onlookers, fixed price estimates are the way to go for a number of reasons (alignment of in…

I think my main confusion was that there are a few things that appear to be full-time jobs but only list $250 - $500

Re: Ask HN: What Freelancer site do you recommend?

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why gamification if I am only posting jobs? It might make sense to people who are bidding for projects, but it is just too many unwanted features for posting a project.

Well you can always ignore it? There are something things you might like to earn with the credits, for example the phone number for the head of support, a chat with me over skype with a cup of tea, or a t-shirt? It's not like you have to do anything extra.

I think the issue is that it changes the "feel" of the place and therefor the type of people likely to be attracted it.

It kind of says "we are for the sort of people who will jump through hoops to get a free article of clothing"

Re: Ask HN: What Freelancer site do you recommend?

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post #11

elance is good and the only site i use for this - mostly because i'm used to it and i find new sites confusing to get used to, more than that i consider it 'best'. it's dominated by the weak php developers you speak of, but if you just filter everybody out who charges less than $20 per hour[1], you'll get rid of most of them and be left with some good people. after you've gotten a few hundred proposals on elance it w…

> it's dominated by the weak php developers you speak of, but if you just filter everybody out who charges less than $20 per hour[1], you'll get rid of most of them and be left with some good people.

As a freelancer who picks up quite a bit of work on Elance, I can vouch for this, from my end of things.

The key to success, both on the client side and on the freelance side, is absolutely brutal filtering. There are many opportunities there, but you need to dig for them.

Some tips for success looking for talent on Elance:

1. Be sure to invite well performing freelancers from the geographical area where you reside to your project. There's really no need to go abroad, there's plenty of talent available wherever you happen to live. You skip any cultural and communication issues that might crop up if you go with somebody abroad.

2. Again, be sure to invite the right freelancers to your project. In fact, make the project invite only. Anybody who is worth their salt on Elance doesn't search for work. They only reply to work they are interested in when they are invited to it. I get several invites every day and for whatever reason, on weekends, I can get over a dozen a day. Weekend warriors?

3. Always do fixed price projects. With a fixed price project, you'll know exactly how much you'll pay and can reduce the cost of the project intelligently by pairing down the features. With an hourly project, I'll just throw a number I charge per hour at you and you're nowhere closer to knowing how much you'll pay. One guy can get the job done in 10 hours, another in 2, you have no idea which is which ... stick to fixed price.

4. Be sure to provide as much technical detail into the project as possible. Try to break things down into achievable milestones. Clearly specify the features you need and the work that you want done. I ignore projects which simply specify what qualifications you want me to have. Let's assume I already know how to do the work or I wouldn't be looking at it. Tell me what the work is and be specific.

5. Reject proposals. If you're not going to go with a proposal, reject it. I do not like submitting proposals in a crowded space. It tells me the client isn't involved in the process. There's no way in hell you're entertaining a dozen proposals or more. More than likely, you'll pair it down to 3 or 4. Do the pairing from the very beginning. If you wait until the end, many quality freelances will choose not to even submit anything because they do not want to deal with the crowd.

6. Include your name in the project description. Just the first name is fine. I need to know what to call you, right?

7. Immediately reject proposals that don't include your project specifics. If you took the time to write a details project description, expect me to read it and to respond to it in kind.

Re: Ask HN: What Freelancer site do you recommend?

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A friend of mine is currently trying to sort this problem by creating OnSite ( http://onsite.io/ ), it's not live yet but it's one to keep an eye on for the future.

Thanks Rik.

OnSite aims to eliminate the race to the bottom by removing project bidding from the process. Results returned are based on skills, location and availability (among other metrics). Rates can be entered by the hirer, but act simply as a guide, don't exclude results and aren't visible to the matched freelancers. In addition all freelancers are manually approved and profiles need to be 100% complete before becoming visible on the system.

Doors open in a couple of weeks as we start to roll out invites. Currently we are only accepting applications from verifiable agencies / studios / start-ups, not individuals looking for extra help. http://onsite.io/apply/agency.

If you are a freelancer, you can apply here: http://onsite.io/apply/freelancer (you will again need to be verifiable with online examples of your work to be considered).

Cheers.

Re: Ask HN: What Freelancer site do you recommend?

#79

I've been the top #1 provider for years and up until vWorker got sold to freelancer. I honestly think that was an awful move, since what made vWorker different from the rest is that it had less number of providers (and clients), but with a much better quality. This, and the fact that being a freelancer for years helped me identify lots of things that were poorly done on sites such as freelancer, made me realize that…

Is Workana only meant for people from the Americas?

Nop. It's wide open :) We have been focusing our marketing on Latin America but every day we see considerable growth in the number of users that come from Europe and Asia

Re: Ask HN: What Freelancer site do you recommend?

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a veteran of vWorker, too. I found the site quirky and ugly, but deeply functional. Freelancer seems to be the opposite -- very pretty, professionally aggravating. I jumped ship (to my own network) pretty quickly after the transition, and if I needed to find work again through a site, it probably wouldn't be that one.

>>> I was a veteran of vWorker, too. I found the site quirky and ugly, but deeply functional. This, this and a thousand times this. After the switch, i've had to run around and argue with their 1st-Level support-monkeys to merge 2 accounts so i could withdraw what was left over in my vWorker account. Took 2 months and you can be sure i'll never ever again visit that site >:(

Exactly my feeling. I have only had bad experiences with the vWorker → Freelancer transition. In fact I felt it was engineered for only one simple reason: to get more "workers" to pay the monthly subscription fee.
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