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Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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Quebec has a rich history of socialist laws (not necessairly a bad thing) and rent seeking laws(bad):

Tuition is one of the lowest in North America

Medical benefits paid by the employer are considered taxable income

Weird laws on lotteries and prize giveaways that excludes Quebec from many said prize giveaways

Tourisme board that tacks on a 'travel agency insurance premium' when purchasing vacation packages

Quebec rental board that is very pro tenants and they can stay without paying rent for many months

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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I may be downvoted to oblivion for this but I really don't think my neighbors in Boston would like it if I rented my room out on a nightly basis to people they don't know. There are 20 units in my building so seeing many random people coming and going would trigger great unease and I cannot say that I would blame them for that. I've used AirBnB and I love it but I think the biggest issue is not the commercial propert…

To play devil's advocate to this argument, what's the difference between having new tenants entering the building every week and a resident having random friends over every week?

That it's less likely for someone to have so many random friends over to their place when they're not around.

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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Considering the outrageous prices charged by motels in every city I've been (up to Chicoutimi) and even by road side motels near nowhere, I'm not surprised :-/ >Business groups like Montreal’s Bed and Breakfast Association have been pushing for the government to crackdown on home rentals for years. Yeah. I sure wonder why.

There are regulatory mechanisms to make hotels and B+Bs pay their share of externalities. These are things like property tax, room tax, and insurance.

Suppliers of airbnb units avoid a lot of these payments because they're paying taxes at normal residential rates.

If the cost of a room is $100/night, and the cost of that extra stuff is $50/night, then there is no way that hotels can compete on an even playing field with airbnb.

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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You shouldn't blame the Government for enforcing its laws. I would like for competition to be more open than it is, but I pay my taxes and would like others to do so too.

Amazing that you got downvoted for this. The comments in this thread which are cheerleading "disruption" are completely glossing over the issues of taxes and regulations. Other startups are out there making good faith attempts at following the law and competing fairly. Why does HN seem so eager to collectively give AirBnB a free pass?

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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Quebec has a rich history of socialist laws (not necessairly a bad thing) and rent seeking laws(bad): Tuition is one of the lowest in North America Medical benefits paid by the employer are considered taxable income Weird laws on lotteries and prize giveaways that excludes Quebec from many said prize giveaways Tourisme board that tacks on a 'travel agency insurance premium' when purchasing vacation packages Quebec re…

I'm ashamed of my province. I'm seriously considering moving south of the border if they don't start to get a little more liberal (not talking about the party here).

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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Cry me a river. There are much more comprehensive reviews on Airbnb than you'll get for most hotels. This is regulatory capture under the guise of consumer protection; nothing more.

Not really, it's about a company choosing to ignore the law. Craigslist did the same thing for years with respect to advertising for "erotic services". If the company's strategy for this issue is to declare that "users must be aware of local regulation" while providing thousands of listings in heavily regulated cities like New York City, they're probably going to hit some speedbumps.

Do you seriously think it's the responsibility of the service provider to make sure its users don't engage in any potentially illegal activities?

These services are simply glorified communication tools, and limiting what people can communicate with them is limiting free speech.

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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You shouldn't blame the Government for enforcing its laws. I would like for competition to be more open than it is, but I pay my taxes and would like others to do so too.

Amazing that you got downvoted for this. The comments in this thread which are cheerleading "disruption" are completely glossing over the issues of taxes and regulations. Other startups are out there making good faith attempts at following the law and competing fairly. Why does HN seem so eager to collectively give AirBnB a free pass?

These new services simply make the regulation and taxation issues more and more obvious. You can't stop technology, you can't stop innovation. Once you acknowledge that, you realize that laws have to adapt to new realities.

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read the other AirBnB threads on here discussing the externalities. And I still think the cities would be better off with AirBnB than without it. The opportunities for property owners to profit as well as providing tourism/business visitors with $40 rooms is massive. It's opening up a huge new bnb industry, provides a large flow of new revenue for tourism businesses in the cities, greatly expands the amount of t…

Sure, and I agree that the benefits of AirBnb ultimately outweigh the negatives. I wouldn't continue supporting them with my business if I didn't. But there are more than two choices here - there is a third choice besides "let AirBnb continue as is" and "stop everything AirBnb-like". Things like adhering to sanitation standards, paying of hotel taxes, and the rights of residents in AirBnb buildings are all legitimate…

Interesting. I agree with most of what you said. AirBnB is relatively new, laws have not yet been efficiently enforced, so some costs are being offset on neighbours/cities.

But I'm not convinced that a) the costs are currently so bad it requires market restrictions on AirBnB-style units and b) this a problem that the courts, cities and property owners can't handle on their own - by adapting to change.

Whereas the incentives to add restrictions on the basis of protecting existing industry incumbents are very clear.

^ That motivation which so often dictates modern government policy is the basis of my villainization. Once again I see the opportunity for real economic/social benefit via technology and opportunities to address this without restricting technology or markets (such as an evolution in property law and defence).

Instead I see a government rushing to add new policy, without a clear indicator that they are being representative of the best interests of their citizens ... or even themselves.

This same narrative has repeatedly recurred a hundred times in the tech scene (copyright, wiretapping, unlocking phones, etc). As long as the state refuses to even attempt to evolve along with technological change and takes the market incumbents interests first, then you'll keep seeing these posts.

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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I may be downvoted to oblivion for this but I really don't think my neighbors in Boston would like it if I rented my room out on a nightly basis to people they don't know. There are 20 units in my building so seeing many random people coming and going would trigger great unease and I cannot say that I would blame them for that. I've used AirBnB and I love it but I think the biggest issue is not the commercial propert…

To play devil's advocate to this argument, what's the difference between having new tenants entering the building every week and a resident having random friends over every week?

Tenants have a stake in their apartment, their relations with their neighbors, etc. While the vast majority Airbnb renters don't trash apartment buildings, I'd bet that they're more disruptive on average than tenants.

Re: Quebec Cracks Down on Airbnb

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AirBnB may be the canary in the coalmine for tech, maybe more than the privacy issues surrounding the majority of the current tech business models.

The industry idolizes "disruption" without taking any responsibility for the negative side-effects. However, in the case of AirBnB, these side-effects don't just affect an incumbent industry, but the private lives of completely innocent ordinary people, who live in the same buildings that are used as makeshift hotels.

Illegal and semi-legal subletting is a big enough nuisance as it is in major tourist destinations (I live in one), and AirBnB is making the problem exponentially worse.

A similar narrative applies to the presence of Uber in places with a decently regulate taxi system.

Not all disruption is good.

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