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US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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I'm sick and tired of being in such a lazy-ass, apathetic society that possesses zero regard to freedom. Stallman may be a nut, but when you think long and hard about what he says, and think about SOPA, PIPA, and this lobby, in horror, your face twists in fear and you watch, helplessly, as your fellow citizens bend over backwards and let the government have their way. I don't even know what to do anymore. Nobody will…

And your answer is Stallman?

Yes, he is a nut. In the sense of "no one will ever take him seriously, especially anyone involved in mainstream decision-making, who has ever read anything he has written," which is in this case the most relevant metric. Stallman is never going to be any help here, nor is anyone like him, because any "normal" person -- that is, one that other people won't ignore out of hand -- will ignore him out of hand. This includes politicians, to whom said "normal" people are the all-important majority.

"We need more activists" is bullshit. You think we need more activists? More of those outliers that get lampooned in every media outlet for railing against the status quo? Because that's what activists are to most people: Nuts and/or malcontents.

Of course, my real problem with this statement is exactly the same reason I'm not making it. You think we don't have enough activists? GO BE ONE. If you think they can do any good and you believe that "we are fucked" without them, stop posting on HN, get off your ass, and DO SOMETHING.

Otherwise get back on the bench with the rest of us, because all your whining about mass media and celebrity culture is just that. You can gripe all you want that people aren't doing anything, but as soon as you start telling people what they SHOULD be doing, either you'd better be doing it yourself or you'll have to excuse those of us -- everyone -- who will not take you seriously.

In the event that you actually are interested in backing up your hollow rhetoric: The only way to work this system is from the inside. So start campaigning, or start schmoozing, because while real change is essentially impossible, the only way to mitigate damage is by convincing the relevant politicians that it's in their best interests to do so.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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DRM lobby must have started smoking some heavy stuff. It's not enough that they insist that breaking DRM is illegal, now they want to make spyware DRM to be legal. True intentions revealed. The next - they must be deploying the Watchbirds.

Strong DRM means inherently weak security. DRM in your TPM means the weakest link in your system security is the low bidder on an MPAA RFP.

DRM by definition implies weakened security and privacy for the end user. DRM was never about security, it was always about satisfying their bottomless desire for control. DRM already has a history of using rootkits and etc. These lunatics just want to make it legal in order to create another protective legal wall around DRM (with current being DMCA).

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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post #7

Because every country strives to be more like Syria. "MPAA told Congress that they wanted SOPA and knew it would work because it was the same tactic used by governments in "China, Iran, the UAE, Armenia, Ethiopia, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Burma, Syria, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Vietnam."

Is it bad that the first thing that stood out to me was the mismatched quotation marks?

Off topic: http://xkcd.com/859/

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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This is not going to go where they think it will go. Right now their enemies are just pirates wanting to watch Game Of Thrones for free. A business threat, certainly, but one they're generally handling well. But start infecting people's computers, and a portion of them are going to fight back. Then the entertainment industry has enemies actively trying to destroy their systems. A whole different level of conflict, an…

> Then the entertainment industry has enemies actively trying to destroy their systems.

so to be fair this is actually where we are today, if you remember the efforts of anonymous and sony, etc...

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Frankly, this might be the sort of kick in the ass people need to start writing more secure software. Who wants their software to be known as the MPAA's attack vector?

On the other hand, I suspect that the MPAA would be in for a world of hurt if they did this. They would not only be dealing with file sharing, but also a coordinated campaign by blackhats to take down their systems, boycotts organized by the EFF and the like, lawsuits from companies whose employees brought rootkit infected machines on the corporate network, etc.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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Frankly, this might be the sort of kick in the ass people need to start writing more secure software. Who wants their software to be known as the MPAA's attack vector? On the other hand, I suspect that the MPAA would be in for a world of hurt if they did this. They would not only be dealing with file sharing, but also a coordinated campaign by blackhats to take down their systems, boycotts organized by the EFF and th…

> blackhats to take down their systems

I'm pretty sure something like this would get the greys and whites involved too.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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post #18

The movie and music publishing businesses are tiny compared to the telecom industry. It amazes me that they are able to get such proposals taken seriously. This is beyond wacky in light of serious security threats from both organized crime and foreign governments. The same machines they want to root to check on your music and movies are used for serious work in industry and government.

And the general tech industry on top of that. I'm surprised there hasn't been a canada-style tax on media that 'legalizes' such downloading.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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So downloading copyrighted content makes you a "hacker" now?

That's hardly the point, which is that they can get Congress to bend over backwards for them. Since this piece of legislation is obviously absurd, they'll attempt for something pared down but clearly authoritarian with minimal (non-existent?) oversight. At this point they're just flexing their muscle to see how much wiggle room they've got. A small part of me wishes votes on legislation were anonymous so our congress…

> campaign donors

I would dare to say this could be a contributing factor to the state of politics and law. Essentially, laws and regulations are bought by the highest bidder.

I think many agree with me that neither religion or money should have influence on direction of politics.

For the anonymity on legislation; No. Legislation, political- and judicial processes IMHO be 100% transparent.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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post #11

I'm sick and tired of being in such a lazy-ass, apathetic society that possesses zero regard to freedom. Stallman may be a nut, but when you think long and hard about what he says, and think about SOPA, PIPA, and this lobby, in horror, your face twists in fear and you watch, helplessly, as your fellow citizens bend over backwards and let the government have their way. I don't even know what to do anymore. Nobody will…

And your answer is Stallman ? Yes, he is a nut. In the sense of "no one will ever take him seriously, especially anyone involved in mainstream decision-making, who has ever read anything he has written," which is in this case the most relevant metric. Stallman is never going to be any help here, nor is anyone like him, because any "normal" person -- that is, one that other people won't ignore out of hand -- will igno…

Do you really think that Aaron Swartz, Larry Lessig and the masses of people protesting Capitol Hill last year when SOPA came around didn't make a difference?

They were activists.

Do you really think we'd have so much free/open source software today without the contribution of Eric S. Raymond, Stallman, et al.?

They're activists.

Do you really think that we'd be here today if Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and George Washington never existed?

They were -- yep, you guessed it -- activists.

Re: US entertainment industry to Congress: make it legal for us to deploy rootkits

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post #10

Would it also then become illegal to program software that would defend against such software rooting your machine and erasing things that goes against its views of fairness? I'd like see them try to root my Gentoo box.

It would automatically be illegal to break this spyware (i.e. to defend against it) the moment the spyware itself becomes legal. Since breaking DRM is forbidden by DMCA. DMCA/1201 should be really repealed, as well as any such new idiocy pushed by the DRM lobby.
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