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I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

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Post by travisby »

hga wrote: post #165
travisby wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "hunting license" gives you the ability to take an animal, not to own a firearm. And in most states (outside of the most infringing states -- my home state of NY is a great example), a Conceal Carry license is "how" you can carry a handgun on your person - and not the ability to own one.

A hunting license also gives you the ability to carry a loaded long gun in a variety of places it is otherwise illegal, due mostly to anti-poaching laws.

Now that I was unaware of. Thanks for informing me!

I had my hunting license early, so I really take it for granted.

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

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Post by hga »

ealloc wrote: post #177
hga wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your whole premise is false: keeping and bearing arms is much safer than driving cars. I can go into details as to why I believe that's the case, but to start with, whenever I walk outside the door I put my carry gun into a holster, and then never take it out until I return home. So it's just sitting there on my hip under my shirt or vest, not much of a danger to anyone as long as I keep it away from an MRI machine's…

Quoting the number of gun accidents is misleading. The point of a license is to keep dangerous equipment out of the hands of people who are a danger to others or themselves. Thus you should really count murder/suicide too, and as wikipedia says, "In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States". So guns really are at least as dangerous as cars…

Since of course we know that gun ownership/access and suicide are closely correlated, and nearly gun free societies like Japan and China don't have suicide rates nearly twice ours....

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_ra...)

And what about considering the opposite end of the stick, e.g. that firearms are used 2.25 million times per year in self-defense (which I figured some time ago was about twice as many times as they are used in criminal offense).

Re: I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable

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Post by kstenerud »

lifeguard wrote: post #92
ctdonath wrote: post #91

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60 fatal gun accidents per day? Way way off. It's measured in the low hundreds per year, not around 21,000 annual. Cars however...30,000ish accidental per year. (USA numbers)

Wrong. Do more more research.

In 2011 there were 851 deaths due to accidental firearm discharge, 19766 firearm suicides, and 11101 homicides by firearm. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

In Milwaukee, 76% of homicide victims had prior arrests/citations, and 90% of suspects had priors. Source: http://city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/Groups/cityHRC/report...

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Post by maxerickson »

cstross wrote: post #178
angersock wrote: post #158

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"...and requiring those who do to carry third-party insurance in case an accidental discharge ends up injuring someone is an absolute minimum." The thing here is that accidental discharges don't happen if you properly maintain your weapons and ammunition, and if you handle them properly. As an example, I wouldn't store any weapons with a round chambered, wouldn't store weapons loaded, and wouldn't use any rifle or pi…

As over 90% of road traffic accidents are the result of human error, I strongly disagree with your conclusion -- otherwise we wouldn't need third-party insurance for cars, either. (On the other hand, if you're as sensible as you say, I have three words for you: no claims discount .)

The NRA apparently endorses a personal liability insurance:

http://www.locktonrisk.com/nrains/excess.htm

Quick searching is not instructive as to pricing, but I guess some homeowners policies cover gun accidents, and such insurance is not particularly expensive.

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Post by ricardobeat »

oijaf888 wrote: post #138
ricardobeat wrote: post #17

Thankfully this is illegal and will remain so in most of the rest of the world. 3% means there are more than 9.4 million assault rifles in US homes. Are they expecting an invasion?

It is? I'm surprised that the rest of the world has such developed gun policy. I understand the majority of first world nations would probably ban this but its interesting to learn that 3rd world countries have developed similar laws.

I wouldn't call it a "developed gun policy", more like "common sense". No guns = no people shot. Of course guns end up coming from other places that have no such restrictions, but the reasoning stands :)

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Post by [deleted] »

terrble wrote: post #40
jaxb wrote: post #34

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They expect their government to fail them.

It already has, repeatedly - but that's totally orthogonal. To imply that gun owners are worried about systematic government oppression that would necessitate an uprising is not an accurate portrayal of conventional wisdom, it's a half-assed attempt at interpreting the Constitution and extrapolating gun ownership rationale. But most gun owners in the US (that I know - and I know quite a few) possess them for hunting,…

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Post by ricardobeat »

MChristopherson wrote: post #71
ricardobeat wrote: post #17

Thankfully this is illegal and will remain so in most of the rest of the world. 3% means there are more than 9.4 million assault rifles in US homes. Are they expecting an invasion?

How do you personally define "assault rifle" ?

A rifle with a detachable magazine. Are you intent on arguing that the most used assault rifle in the world is not an assault rifle? I'm not really into this kind of word play.

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Post by Cushman »

Taylorious wrote: post #88
minamea wrote: post #61

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What? How is this not a disgrace? This article means that practically anyone anywhere in the US can have an AK-47 with no licensing. How is that supposed to make me feel safe? What if I sneak into my GF's house and her dad tries me right then and there, and decides that the punishment for fucking his daughter is death. Oh, and what do you know? He has an AK-47 for it so all my hopes of running away are dashed. People…

"People shouldn't have the power to kill other people so easily - not unless they're the police or army." And why should some some 18yo kid in the army have that right but not a middle aged adult? Because some other army guy yelled at him for a few weeks and gave him a uniform? You mention a father could go crazy and kill you for sneaking in to screw his daughter, but what if you were a rapist sneaking in to rape his…

Not to nitpick, but "assault rifle" is a technical term for a select-fire (fully automatic) weapon that fires an underpowered rifle caliber, and any select-fire weapon is quite illegal for individuals to own in the US.

"Assault weapon" is a made up term used to try to discriminate these civilian rifles on the basis of the cosmetic features that make them seem frightening to non-gun-owners. When we talk about a semi-automatic civilian "AK-47" like this, it's really just called a rifle.

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Post by unimpressive »

minamea wrote: post #108
unimpressive wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You thought I was talking about guns there? Oh no, that was general life advice, for your safety. The idea that you can go around getting people so angry that they want to kill you more than a few times without ill effect is silly.

The idea that someone can kill me because I got them angry is sillier. There are the police and courts and the like.

I'm not talking about what should and shouldn't be here.

I worded my last post incorrectly it seems. Let me be clearer.

When you get people angry enough, they try to kill you. This is usually the wrong thing for them to do. But people do it anyway. Police and courts have nothing to do with it. People are still very much able to kill you without a gun, and they have a decent chance of succeeding.

If you continually do things that result in people trying to kill you, the chance of you becoming a homicide statistic rapidly approaches one. If you want to dispute this, you can argue with the 506 homicides in Japan in 2009. (Where weapons are virtually nonexistent.)

In other words, please don't get yourself killed under the mistaken notion that men without guns are somehow incapable of it.

Source: https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.ht...

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Post by Pinckney »

fein wrote: post #97
MichaelApproved wrote: post #59

Yes, there is some issue with untraceable weapons but the real problem with 3D guns isn't that they're untraceable, it's that they're undetectable . An attacker could use an all plastic weapon to get past metal detectors in a court house, airplane, and other secure areas.

Ammunition is still made of metal. A gun is kind of useless without the stuff that goes boom.

Are metal detectors we care about calibrated to detect ammunition and ammunition alone?
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