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Re: Ask HN: and now what?

#81
"Burnout is caused when you repeatedly make large amounts of sacrifice and or effort into high-risk problems that fail. It's the result of a negative prediction error in the nucleus accumbens. You effectively condition your brain to associate work with failure." -Isaac Yonemoto

You need to start having fun again, and quit trying to be successful. The success will follow. Chasing it constantly is a bit like chasing Moby Dick.

Re: Ask HN: and now what?

#82
Being in the same age bracket as OP, I think the youth craze in the IT industry contributes to "older" engineers feeling sidelined and burned out. Basically with 35 you've jumped the shark. It's arguably worse than the fashion industry or showbiz.

Re: Ask HN: and now what?

#83
I suspect that I have a lot more energy and desire than my peers. But even so, I suffered similar burnout to the OP about 6 months ago. I attribute my burnout to trying to continue hard-driving my startup idea while simultaneously trying to juggle additional, optional life changes along with working a regular, full-time job. My optional life changes were: my wife and I decided to have our first kid and we wound up with twins, and started an overly painful re-fi process on the house, and spent 24 months trying to get a new job in town so I wouldn't have to travel as much for work.

The burnout I suffered seemed cataclysmic for my startup idea. I started to question it and myself, why wasn't I making progress? All this stuff I have to manage is too much, I wish I was 25 again with no responsibility. I just turned 39!! I'm getting old, now with kids; I'll never be able to make anything out of this thing, I waited too long... My yard is a mess, my desk is a heap of papers. :( Blah blah, that's all just stinkin' thinkin', as someone else said.

My depression came from my not acknowledging that I was already at a diminished capacity with the twins' arrival, and then I stupidly decided to ratchet up the job search AND re-fi my house! What was I thinking?? There is a limit, and I wasn't being realistic about what I could manage.

The good news (for me at least) is, the tidal wave of burnout-inducing extra responsibilities has receded and my new, local day job is so undemanding and steady. I find myself ending the day with some spare energy and I have gradually started to reconnect with my startup project by taking on some low energy improvements that I could feel proud of. Just last night, on looking at my pages render out just so, I got that feeling of secret pride for the first time in so long. I was back to making a quality product again.

I think the OP is feeling burnt by all the failures and false starts and that's creating a negative spiral. Butch up, OP. You're a systems programmer coming out of the video games biz like me. You can cogitate about systems in ways that many cannot. Take some pride in that. Husband your resources. When you're feeling strong again, make some wise decisions and get back in the game.

Re: Ask HN: and now what?

#84
Keep in mind that most of what you're experiencing is common to a lot of other people. You're not at all alone. You're not in a situation where everyone else is succeeding and you're the only one that's struggling.

HN (and similar sites) primarily focus on the success stories, and it is very easy to let that warp your perception of your efforts, your abilities, your projects, yourself.

You may not have what it takes to launch or run a startup. Nothing wrong with that. You'll be in great company. If the stress of trying over and over again is getting to you, if you're feeling defeated, then stop. Step back, regroup. Think about what it is that you really want: do you want to be wealthy? There are other ways to do that. Do you want to make a difference? There are many ways to do that. Do you want to build cool stuff? Inspire others? Live a comfortable life with a family? Those are all OK, focus on them.

What you describe in your last lines sounds like depression to me, and it's a common problem too.

Point-by-point:

> I tried during 5 years to create a "startup".

Why? What was your motivation here?

> I still have a half time job that pay the bill and give me enough time to create something.

So, you're not yet fully committed to living or dying by your work. That's not necessarily bad, but realize this, because it's important: the less fully committed you are to your projects, the less likely they are to be successful.

> During these 5 years I created a game, a tool for geeks, a B2B project and lot of more things.

This sounds unfocused to me. If we step outside of the startup drum circle for a moment, you'll find that a lot of businesses will spend around 5 years just trying to develop, market, and popularize a single project. The startup iteration cycle produces really amazing results when it works, but it also produces a lot of failures. If you've got the sort of personality that is discouraged by too many failures -- and again, you're not alone in that -- then maybe you should look at some of the more traditional business models. There are some very successful, under-appreciated people in our industry who have done just this.

> Each time, I have no traction, negative feedback, I demotivating and then I stop the project.

A successful project is one that you do not give up on.

> Each partners I meet seems too newbie to work with.

Is it possible that you're holding them to the wrong standards -- i.e., they're not "YC material" -- or that they've giving you good advice and you're not following it because it doesn't fit in with your expectations?

I don't know you well enough to give you more specific advice. (Nobody here does.) I deal with some of the same issues. Here's what I do to work around them:

- Change my mindset. I often remind myself that although things are not where I want them to be, they are still better every year. And, although I'm not running a multi-million-dollar-per-year business, I've still managed to make a real difference in the lives of other people.

- Make sure finances are comfortable and stay that way. I'm not rich, but I try to keep a little bit of slush in the bank, it keeps me from stressing too much about other stuff.

- Keep an active side project, something that I enjoy working on, that has no deadlines or associated stress.

- Take time to decompress, spend some time alone, recharge, whatever -- but find the desire again to keep chipping away.

- Realize that, even at 35, I'm still fairly young and the game's far from over.

- Just keep building. Even if it's just 5 lines of code on a day where I really don't want to do it, it's still progress. Everything I do leads in to the next project, the next step towards my goals. I build momentum this way. Slowly, but it's still momentum.

- Avoid the YC/HN drum circle. YC would be a ton of fun, an amazing experience -- I'm a two-time reject now! -- but realize that it is a very specific approach to a very specific class of business, that there are a lot of failures and people just don't tend to talk about them much, and that it's far from the only road to success.

Re: Ask HN: and now what?

#85
This may be a little off from what others are saying but when I was burned out of tech, I got a job at a Starbucks. An entry level barista. I worked there a year and at the end I was ready to hop back in the saddle with programming.

I learned a lot a Starbucks about people, how people think, how to be adaptable, compromise, etc. These skills directly transfer to to being a geek.

I work on my own things now but those were fond days for a lot of reasons. Most of which gave my brain the rest it needed and then the energy to stat up again.

I hope this helps. I'd love to talk or answer specific questions.

Re: Ask HN: and now what?

#87
I'm starting a 501(c)3 nonprofit science research organization. One of the side projects I'd like to do is to teach a computer programmer how to program bacteria and help to develop a 100% open-source git-like software system for biology. Yes, I'm aware that entities like genome compiler exist - but the people running it just don't get it (either from a CS perspective OR a biology perspective) - I've had conversations with them. I could use someone like you, and if you really like what you're making, then it's certainly "spinoff"-able (technically not a spinoff since there's no IP transfer) as a github-like for-profit enterprise.

Our long-term goal is to also produce a platform for building open-source, IP-unrestricted biological products. We're starting with an anticancer compound, I have other ideas that I don't want to talk about until I'm ready to pitch for donations for them.

Anyways, I think you should take a break - we won't be ready to launch until december-ish anyways (depending on how badly the IRS handles itself in the meantime), but if you think you might be interested in this, let me know. I might not be able to pay that much, but you might find some inspiration, and a direction to go in.

http://indysci.org/

Re: Ask HN: and now what?

#88
> Everything is insipid for me. I have no hobby, no programming idea, no desire to meet people, travel whatever. When I try to get a hobby, I m fed up after a few try. When I go to nice tech event, I'm bored.

Join a local church.

This what I have done recently and it has been amazing. Friendly people who are extremely caring, a welcoming environment, and a call to a higher purpose. I've instantly gained some new friends that I care about. You may find value in doing the same.

Stop worrying about startup ideas, hobbies, etc. Just get to know people and care about them. Find ways to help them. I guarantee everything will work out by following this simple rule.

Re: Ask HN: and now what?

#90
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Either way, you know what is best for you.

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