Earlier quoted context omitted.
The case against Tom Drake was beyond the pale for me. Every circumstance surrounding that case was just horrid. You only need one Watergate to bring down a president.
" You only need one Watergate to bring down a Republican president. " Fixed it for you.
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Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since you seem to be new around here: Please don't start a post with I didn't read the article . Some people on this site put a decent amount of work into their comments. So please spend at least the 5 minutes skimming through the article before making a statement.
"Rosen, who has not been charged in the case, was nonetheless the target of a search warrant" From the article. So in spite of not reading the article, their comment was correct. You do know that it is believed that someone died as a result of this leak?
Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since you seem to be new around here: Please don't start a post with I didn't read the article . Some people on this site put a decent amount of work into their comments. So please spend at least the 5 minutes skimming through the article before making a statement.
"Rosen, who has not been charged in the case, was nonetheless the target of a search warrant" From the article. So in spite of not reading the article, their comment was correct. You do know that it is believed that someone died as a result of this leak?
"Based on the above, there is probable cause to believe that the Reporter (along with Mr. Kim [the prosecuted government employee]) has committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 789(d) either as Mr. Kim's co-conspirator and/or aider and abettor..." which continues with the email account to be searched, more justification, etc.
Unprecedented in recent history going back to at least the Pentagon Papers?
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
" You only need one Watergate to bring down a Republican president. " Fixed it for you.
Anybody who compares Nixon to any subsequent US president, even Reagan, is betraying a lack of understanding of how serious Watergate was. There was, at the time, the possibility of a military coup --- and that coup would have been in defense of the Constitution.
Things were nowhere near that bad---I think you're confusing a coup with refusing illegal orders, and no doubt relaying them to the Congress, and I note that Nixon simply resigned, didn't even have to be formally impeached---and while it's again just my unsupported opinion, the threat to the Republic from the Watergate break in et. al. (which included the IRS refusing to follow Nixon's demands) is much smaller than this IRS scandal, which very possibly threw a presidential election, and has pushed a large fraction of the polity out of the public square. With no one believing any of this will be corrected; heck, the IRS abuse is still going on.
Frankly, I'm reluctantly coming to the opinion that unless the IRS is clubbed like a baby seal, the Republic has fallen.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anybody who compares Nixon to any subsequent US president, even Reagan, is betraying a lack of understanding of how serious Watergate was. There was, at the time, the possibility of a military coup --- and that coup would have been in defense of the Constitution.
Ummm, I was politically aware during all of Watergate and followed it closely, except for the month of camping in Colorado when we heard, upon coming down from the mountain, that Nixon had resigned. Things were nowhere near that bad---I think you're confusing a coup with refusing illegal orders, and no doubt relaying them to the Congress, and I note that Nixon simply resigned, didn't even have to be formally impeache…
Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Rosen, who has not been charged in the case, was nonetheless the target of a search warrant" From the article. So in spite of not reading the article, their comment was correct. You do know that it is believed that someone died as a result of this leak?
That would be this search warrant: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/05/20/court... , page 26, number 46: " Based on the above, there is probable cause to believe that the Reporter (along with Mr. Kim [the prosecuted government employee]) has committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 789(d) either as Mr. Kim's co-conspirator and/or aider and abettor... " which continues with the email account to be searched…
1.) Should the person be prosecuted 2.) Should the journalist who facilitated the leak of that information be immune to legal search warrants 3.) Should the journalist who facilitated the leak be prosecuted.
I believe 1, 2 are yes. 3 is no.
I have no idea about recent history, honestly. I don't really care, either.
Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says
#77This is part of an extremely strong partisan streak in HN's political postings over the last year or two which I find irritating and inappropriate. If I wanted right-wing skewed tech news, there is already Slashdot.
Slashdot is right wing? Bahahaha. That's funny. Did you know CmdrTaco actually works for the Washington Post now? Not exactly the fortress of the right wing. In fact, quite liberal. Some would say very liberal. Anywho, this topic is about government abuse, regardless of party.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ummm, I was politically aware during all of Watergate and followed it closely, except for the month of camping in Colorado when we heard, upon coming down from the mountain, that Nixon had resigned. Things were nowhere near that bad---I think you're confusing a coup with refusing illegal orders, and no doubt relaying them to the Congress, and I note that Nixon simply resigned, didn't even have to be formally impeache…
I think it should be evident at this point that we're in the wrong venue for this conversation.
All the productive action in the PRC tells us the rule of law not as critical as many think, then again, there are limits to what they're achieving, and it took the ending of the period of endless "revolution" for all that to get started (Mao/The Gang of Four being replaced by Deng).
There's also this detail about investing and doing business, from Richard "Wretchard" Fernandez (http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2013/05/16/the-lying-kin...):
"[...] The president may not realize the cost of reducing the trust content of his actions. Perhaps they teach that lying has no cost in Chicago, but in reality trust’s absence exacts a very definite price.
"The first thing to remember is that trust exists for very good reason, even among gangsters. In ordinary commerce its value is obvious. Many products rely on trust: the security of our communications and data storage; the integrity of accounting; the impartiality of the public institutions. Whether we are using Office 360, email, or Google Drive, a medical storage device that stores our sugar levels and blood pressure numbers or files an income tax return, the presumption is that the information we generate is reasonably private. Once that expectation is destroyed, once we are certain that a political hack whose principal qualification is snooping has been appointed to head Obamacare, then an economic cost is inevitably incurred.
"Lying isn’t free.
"One of the reasons that the United States has remained the last refuge for money fleeing instability abroad is that those investors trust its institutions. They believed — reasonably until now — that in America the rule of law reigned supreme. They thought — until the administration cast the question into serious doubt — that America was not the banana republic that the possessors of those fortunes sought to flee. That’s why the money comes to America and not, let us say, to the Congo."
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I thought informed people knew by now that the public narrative regarding fast and furious was completely fabricated? I can't recall the article off the top of my head, but it has long been shown that this operation was in fact not the policy of the DOJ, but that bureaucratic nonsense and politics at the state level actually prevented the agents on the field from intercepting the guns.
Informed people know the BATF never made any attempt to track the guns whatsoever (unlike the previous Boooosh "Wide Receiver" where they put tracking and transmitting devices in the stocks of the guns, but abandoned the effort after about 200 guns since the approach wasn't working). There's some telling emails that have surfaced that indicate the sole purpose was to generate more statistics about guns of American or…
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There was a warrant, so I'm not sure what lack of court oversight you're talking about.
Bad wording on my part. I guess I was saying that there hasn't been a major court decision overturning US vs Ellsbury/NYT, yet somehow everyone's just pretending it's gone. Seems to me like in order to contradict that previous ruling you should be going to the Supreme Court. I also think it's sketchy as hell to name someone as a 'co-conspirator' in a leak case for being a journalist who was leaked to. That's not cons…