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Re: Star Trek, tech companies, and the death of futurism in cinema

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What makes you think this isn't our present?

That isn't the question though, once you know you are living in a simulation what happens? This was a very interesting question that was raised in the TV show Caprica (a Battlestar Galactica prequel series). If you know it is a simulation then you can just do what ever the heck you want, reboot/restart when necessary. Doesn't make for interesting cinema or literature as the question of future value / future outcome v…

The tension could come from others not knowing they're in a simulation. Oh, The Matrix.

As always, Gren Egan has done this stuff too.

Re: Star Trek, tech companies, and the death of futurism in cinema

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Let's talk about this thin wedge (hopefully without spoilers). I understand that this is a relaunch of the series but I think they did it wrong. It probably would've been blasphemy to throw it all out the door, and 'historically' the same things can happen but they really should be ignoring everything from TOS. Will we see VGER? The monolith from 'Voyage Home' (ST4) must make an appearance, right? I mean we have to a…

I think you missed the point of the reboot, Vulcan was destroyed, the time-line forever altered, this crew isn't going to re-live the events of the original crew.

Is that really true? Avoiding spoilers apparently this most recent movie has proved otherwise.

Vulcan being destroyed doesn't stop VGER and it doesn't stop the monolith. It probably does change the Klingons so maybe 'Undiscovered Country' doesn't happen.

Re: Star Trek, tech companies, and the death of futurism in cinema

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In immigrant circles, we lament this notion that the first generation works its ass off, the second generation studies its ass off, and the third generation parties its ass off. I think that what we see in cinema is kind of linked. America post-WWII worked and studied its ass off. Then it defeated the Soviets. You ask people today though, what they think of the future, and I think that the picture is bleak not merely…

>but it has not necessarily increased the well-being of the average person 2000-2010 was the greatest decade in all of human history for upraising the standard of living of the human race as a whole. The attitude in this entire comments thread sickens me.

Besides that this completely missed the context, that we are talking about the American mass media, and American nostalgia, I'd argue that time will have to tell on this matter. 2000-2010 started well for most of the world, but major faults were revealed in the global economic system. We may well look back on this time period much as we would with the Roaring 20's. What if most of the growth was fake? What if it really were all just financed by deficit spending on the part of the West, and that China, India and the rest of the developing world cannot uphold their current levels of infrastructure, let alone their level of prosperity?

Re: Star Trek, tech companies, and the death of futurism in cinema

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Read Altered Carbon [1] - this book addresses this question. [1] http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40445.Altered_Carbon

For plot reasons, the world of Altered Carbon only lets you run one copy at a time, offsite backups are very expensive, (even though individual stacks are so cheap that literally every person in the world has one installed?) and the time between backups is 24 hours. In the real world, there's no reason to expect any of these limitations to exist. It makes more sense for backups to be cheap(ish) and taken every five m…

I also thought that the book didn't go into the deep effects of having sleeves and backups, as simliar as Star Trek doesn't go into full effects of transporter technology (terrorism of non-warp stations/planets via transported explosive/poison would be unstoppable - forcing the development and pervasiveness of passive transport shielding - think faraday cage)

Re: Star Trek, tech companies, and the death of futurism in cinema

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It's the major technology that wasn't in TNG, DS9, or Voyager, or the TNG movies... Unless you're arguing that the 2009 movie shouldn't be considered to have any continuity with those, in spite of authorial attempts to ensure that it does? But that doesn't seem to have been your argument. :)

I was trying not to ruin the 2009 movie for people who haven't seen it, but read Steko's response to johnny_eh. This is not some weird timeline inconsistency by the mistake of the writers... this is actually a weird timeline inconsistency by design of the in-universe plot. (If Steko's description then itself seems impossible, re-watch the TNG episode Relics.)

As a bonus that episode features a Dyson sphere (no Tholians though).

Re: Star Trek, tech companies, and the death of futurism in cinema

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>but it has not necessarily increased the well-being of the average person 2000-2010 was the greatest decade in all of human history for upraising the standard of living of the human race as a whole. The attitude in this entire comments thread sickens me.

Human history is a story of people nostalgic for the past, believing things are going to hell, oblivious to improvements. When I was born two big countries had nuclear weapons pointed at each other with the very realistic possibility of exchange. Everything we built could be eradicated in an hour or two. We are quite better off.

`Do not ask, ``Why were the old days better than these?'' For it is not wise to ask such questions.' (Ecclesiastes 7:10)

Re: Star Trek, tech companies, and the death of futurism in cinema

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Ghost in the Shell is the greatest thing ever. The same director that did the series did Eden of the East which is fun and near term sci-fi. But, also, Dennu Coil might be a series worth checking out. Nowhere near as epic as GitS, but it explores near term AR tech in a thematically interesting way (as well as being a neat case study in movie/show making (due to the whole AR thing)). Disclaimer: I have not yet finishe…

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