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Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

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Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#41
post #7

I am not sure why we care about people making plastic guns when they can make full-auto AK47s that are not traceable in the slightest. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/ak-47-semi-autom...

It's just as easy to build an AR15 basically from scratch: http://www.oocities.org/elmgrove1765/project6/project6.html

A $500 mill from Harbor Freight, a barrel, and some springs has you in business.

Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#42

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I'm less laid back regarding this than most of the people in this thread (I think it is a problem) but your comment is ridiculous. First of all what has this got to do with bombs? It's a story about a home made gun. Also: Terrorism: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Until someone uses this to cause terror it isn't terrorism. >> "I see someone creating guns and killing people to be…

This gun is godsend for terrorists. It is a gun that you can easily create at home, and it can be carried on planes and other high risk places without detection. This is even better than bombs for terrorism. Additionally, mass murders with guns kill more people in US than terrorism. Why shouldn't we classify New Town and Aurora shooting as terrorism? Terrorism is not only about politics. Moreover, guns are probably t…

"mass murders with guns kill more people in US than terrorism." Both of those numbers are approximately 0. It's not number of people killed that matters in a terror attack.

Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#43

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Part of the social contract in most societies is that the police are the only members of society who can use enough force to kill or injure anyone critically. The governments of these societies create laws to ensure that it is only special well regulated instances when an ordinary citizen can use deadly force (hunting of lower animals and self defense being two examples in the United States). Anywhere these guns can…

This isn't part of the social contract in parts of the US. Guns are pretty common in rural areas and I've see people open carry in urban areas around Seattle.

It's still illegal (and not socially accepted) to use those guns outside of the "well regulated instances" zackzackzack mentioned.

Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#44
post #16
post #6

Is anybody surprised? Even the inventor of the gun seems quite hesitant about how many times it can be fired safely. Anyone setting out to show how dangerous it can be can simply keep firing it until failure occurs. Voila! If article made any mention of how many times that gun was fired until it failed, I missed it.

Thats true. All gun will wear out and fail eventually.

Metal guns normally wear out by jamming or having another internal problem -- for an outside user, they are "Fail Safe".

One concern being presented here is that the gun could shatter on failure, making it "Fail Dangerous".

Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#45
post #7

I am not sure why we care about people making plastic guns when they can make full-auto AK47s that are not traceable in the slightest. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/ak-47-semi-autom...

The guy in the article didn't build a full-auto AK-47, although he did commit a couple felonies along the way[1]. First, he mounted the magazine lock too too far back, which allows the magazine to be detached without the use of a tool - a felony in California on a semi-auto rifle with a pistol grip. Secondly, he says Back in my garage I use a grinding wheel to cut the receiver in half and the other components into pi…

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Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#46
post #40

This is very scared as 3D printers are becoming cheaper soon any one could print out a gun with litte effort. As people said, you can create your own guns but whats different is this takes little work which any one could do. This could be a world problem as soon as 3D printers become mainstream, especially in countries with tight gun regulation.

It's easier and cheaper to make a shotgun with 2 pipes, an end cap, and a screw. I'm not exaggerating the simplicity.

http://www.issafrica.org/armsnetafrica/sites/default/files/2...

Guns are simple.

Guns are 17th century technology.

Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the social contract in most societies is that the police are the only members of society who can use enough force to kill or injure anyone critically. The governments of these societies create laws to ensure that it is only special well regulated instances when an ordinary citizen can use deadly force (hunting of lower animals and self defense being two examples in the United States). Anywhere these guns can…

This isn't part of the social contract in parts of the US. Guns are pretty common in rural areas and I've see people open carry in urban areas around Seattle.

He is referring to the principle of the state's monopoly on violence. It's necessary for some violence to exist to maintain internal and external security (police and the military, respectively). The more effective the state, the theory goes, the better able it is to maintain control over the use of violence in its territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence

Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm less laid back regarding this than most of the people in this thread (I think it is a problem) but your comment is ridiculous. First of all what has this got to do with bombs? It's a story about a home made gun. Also: Terrorism: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Until someone uses this to cause terror it isn't terrorism. >> "I see someone creating guns and killing people to be…

This gun is godsend for terrorists. It is a gun that you can easily create at home, and it can be carried on planes and other high risk places without detection. This is even better than bombs for terrorism. Additionally, mass murders with guns kill more people in US than terrorism. Why shouldn't we classify New Town and Aurora shooting as terrorism? Terrorism is not only about politics. Moreover, guns are probably t…

"This gun is godsend for terrorists. It is a gun that you can easily create at home, and it can be carried on planes and other high risk places without detection."

How is creating a low quality gun at home some kind of godsend? A high quality gun can be acquired quite simply anywhere in the USA. Even if you have some kind of problem with your criminal background you can acquire one at the right price. Or get someone else to acquire it for you. And you don't have to worry about detection with a small gun because it is easily concealable. You're free to walk out of the house and head to times square if you so choose.

I'm not sure why you'd think it is better than a bomb. Those are also easily made at home and can be made to look like pretty much any non-threatening object.

Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#49
post #21

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I'm not sure the theory that violence is caused by "people being asshats to each other" is accepted by anybody other than Wayne LaPierre. Gun violence is caused, first and foremost, by the presence of a gun. A sufficient cause? Often yes, given appropriate context. There are plenty of very successful ways to "hold back" this technology. It's called law. Anyway I don't think anybody is worried about this 3d printed de…

> Gun violence is caused, first and foremost, by the presence of a gun. Gun violence is caused by people.

Gun violence is caused by people with guns.

Surely?

Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns

#50
post #2

I can understand the worry about 3d printed weapons, but I don't see much of a difference between this an a zipgun besides that a common zipgun uses a metal tube for a barrel so it would show up on a metal detector. I am completely disinterested in any of the fearmongering about this weapon. There is no way to hold back technology to prevent violence, we just need to accept that and deal with not being asshats to eac…

I'm not sure the theory that violence is caused by "people being asshats to each other" is accepted by anybody other than Wayne LaPierre. Gun violence is caused, first and foremost, by the presence of a gun. A sufficient cause? Often yes, given appropriate context. There are plenty of very successful ways to "hold back" this technology. It's called law. Anyway I don't think anybody is worried about this 3d printed de…

Nice, go straight to calling names.

Here, let me restate your main theme: Violence is caused first and foremost by the presence of two or more people. As Disney says, it's a "song as old as time".

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