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“Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by SonicSoul »

adventureloop wrote: post #3
Clotho wrote: post #2

Interesting. Is he no longer part of boing boing?

You probably should have read the first line of text on that page. > This story appears in my collection Overclocked: Stories of the Future Present, 2007 craphound.com has been Cory's website for as long as I can remember.

this kind of reply makes me cringe.. i had a manager once who would do something similar on rare occasions i asked about something he already stated in the past. he'd re-paste it into the chat window (sometimes twice).. as if fostering proof that i must be retarded for missing a nugget of his eternal wisdom. the only thing that kept me alive was collecting such snippets for eventual book or at least a blog post about how much he sucked at being a manager.

this was one of many valuable lessons of what not to do. ever.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by noobface »

SonicSoul wrote: post #11
adventureloop wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably should have read the first line of text on that page. > This story appears in my collection Overclocked: Stories of the Future Present, 2007 craphound.com has been Cory's website for as long as I can remember.

this kind of reply makes me cringe.. i had a manager once who would do something similar on rare occasions i asked about something he already stated in the past. he'd re-paste it into the chat window (sometimes twice).. as if fostering proof that i must be retarded for missing a nugget of his eternal wisdom. the only thing that kept me alive was collecting such snippets for eventual book or at least a blog post about…

Bosses like that are as valuable as they are unbearable.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by maeon3 »

This is reminiscent of Gnu's "Right to read".

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

What is the solution if a person uses a printer to print devices that are used for what most people consider criminal behavior? For example, someone printing high performing secret remote detonating bomb materials for political enemy rallies. After they serve the prison sentence. Do you let them own an open source printer again and let them use it without restriction?

With the power to print "anything" at low cost comes a tremendous power to kill thousands, even millions of people easily. How do you find the balance between freedom to let people print anything their hearts desire, and restrictions to stop the evil people from using that tremendous power for great evil?

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by tvon »

DoubleMalt wrote: post #8

I remembered the story when I was reading the musings of the Australian police about regulating the cad files. As soon as 3d printers will be able to replicate themselves, every regulation will be moot. Information always finds a way to propagate.

> As soon as 3d printers will be able to replicate themselves, every regulation will be moot.

I don't get this. In theory, if it were illegal to print "Item #325" having 200 printers doesn't make it any less illegal to print "Item #325".

> Information always finds a way to propagate.

Doesn't this presuppose that no secret has ever been kept?

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by iamwil »

metastew wrote: post #9

While we're on this subject, what's the best DIY printer for an eager beginner like me? Last time I checked, it was Prusa Mendel, but there's been a lot of new additions to the market since then.

According to people in the reprap channels, it'd be:

MendelMax1.5(or 2.0 if you don't care to source it yourself) or the Prusa i3.

As for kits, people seem to like Ultimaker or Lulzbot's AO-10x.

If you'd like a deltabot, there's the Kossel and SeeMeCNC's Rostock Max.

I wrote a buying guide a few weeks back. You might want to check it out.

http://blog.cubehero.com/2013/04/12/what-you-need-to-know-ab...

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by C1D »

SonicSoul wrote: post #11
adventureloop wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably should have read the first line of text on that page. > This story appears in my collection Overclocked: Stories of the Future Present, 2007 craphound.com has been Cory's website for as long as I can remember.

this kind of reply makes me cringe.. i had a manager once who would do something similar on rare occasions i asked about something he already stated in the past. he'd re-paste it into the chat window (sometimes twice).. as if fostering proof that i must be retarded for missing a nugget of his eternal wisdom. the only thing that kept me alive was collecting such snippets for eventual book or at least a blog post about…

I would love to see the end result of your book/blog post :P

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by logicallee »

maeon3 wrote: post #13

This is reminiscent of Gnu's "Right to read". http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html What is the solution if a person uses a printer to print devices that are used for what most people consider criminal behavior? For example, someone printing high performing secret remote detonating bomb materials for political enemy rallies. After they serve the prison sentence. Do you let them own an open source printer a…

In that both are a pretty shitty story illustrating a great point!! :)

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by DoubleMalt »

tvon wrote: post #14
DoubleMalt wrote: post #8

I remembered the story when I was reading the musings of the Australian police about regulating the cad files. As soon as 3d printers will be able to replicate themselves, every regulation will be moot. Information always finds a way to propagate.

> As soon as 3d printers will be able to replicate themselves, every regulation will be moot. I don't get this. In theory, if it were illegal to print "Item #325" having 200 printers doesn't make it any less illegal to print "Item #325". > Information always finds a way to propagate. Doesn't this presuppose that no secret has ever been kept?

>> As soon as 3d printers will be able to replicate themselves, every regulation will be moot.

> I don't get this. In theory, if it were illegal to print "Item #325" having 200 printers doesn't make it any less illegal to print "Item #325".

It might be illegal. But the law would be unenforceable.

>> Information always finds a way to propagate.

> Doesn't this presuppose that no secret has ever been kept?

Valid point. What I meant is information that is out in the open. The cad files by Defense Distributed where published intentionally. You need a North Korean style regime to significantly slow down the propagation of such material.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by maeon3 »

After "printcrime" there will be: "look-crime" where you are caught peeking into or learning about how the insides of a system work on a base level, so you can replicate it without the backdoors, spyware, government mothership authorizations, credentials, alarms, and limitations.

Close that vehicle/system lid citizen, there are trade secrets in there, step away, don't make me Taze you.

Re: “Printcrime” by Cory Doctorow

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Post by angersock »

So, one wonders--how does anyone who detests the idea of getting arrested for printing things and having printer tech confiscated simultaneously detest the idea of printing weapons with which to defend yourself and your means of production?
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