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Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by shardling »

jbooth wrote: post #15
mtgx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an article on BI a few days ago saying how "Americans don't care" about the AP spying (from a survey), and that they cared a lot more about IRS and Benghazi. But let's put things in context. The IRS scandal, and especially the Benghazi one, have been trumpeted at least 10x more than the AP one. Maybe 100x more. With such "awareness campaign" is it really a surprise most people responded in the surveys with…

Yeah, I hate that circular logic. Americans drink more coke than pepsi, look at the advertising budgets. You hammer something on prime time every night for 6 months and people will think it's a bigger deal than the story you don't. There's not an actual scandal behind Benghazi. Literally none. They're alleging a cover-up, "of what?", "they're covering it up!". That's the whole story and somehow it's 6 months of airti…

Well, the New Yorker has been printing exactly your stance on this, so at least some elements of the media care. :)

Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by [deleted] »

jbooth wrote: post #15
mtgx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an article on BI a few days ago saying how "Americans don't care" about the AP spying (from a survey), and that they cared a lot more about IRS and Benghazi. But let's put things in context. The IRS scandal, and especially the Benghazi one, have been trumpeted at least 10x more than the AP one. Maybe 100x more. With such "awareness campaign" is it really a surprise most people responded in the surveys with…

Yeah, I hate that circular logic. Americans drink more coke than pepsi, look at the advertising budgets. You hammer something on prime time every night for 6 months and people will think it's a bigger deal than the story you don't. There's not an actual scandal behind Benghazi. Literally none. They're alleging a cover-up, "of what?", "they're covering it up!". That's the whole story and somehow it's 6 months of airti…

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Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by throwaway9848 »

Nrsolis wrote: post #3

I supported Obama and worked for the campaign in 2008. I'm sad to see that this administration has been more aggressive in leak persecution than GWB. I don't think there is anything wrong in pursuing illegal leaks of classified information. I DO think it's wrong to target bona fide journalists for criminal prosecution based on their reporting. The optics of this kind of thing are bad no matter how you look at it. As…

I didn't read the article, but I've heard nothing about him targeting _the journalist_ for prosecution. They are trying to target the leaker for disseminating classified information, and got a warrant to search the email account of the person he leaked to.

By far the best part of this whole affair has been the journalistic pearl-clutching, as if they would be immune the the same laws permitting such invasions of privact that they covered being passed without uttering a peep. But if a bunch of college students or people with a suspiciously non-caucasian complexion have the same thing happen to them then its fine.

Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by philwelch »

bradleyjg wrote: post #14
Nrsolis wrote: post #3

I supported Obama and worked for the campaign in 2008. I'm sad to see that this administration has been more aggressive in leak persecution than GWB. I don't think there is anything wrong in pursuing illegal leaks of classified information. I DO think it's wrong to target bona fide journalists for criminal prosecution based on their reporting. The optics of this kind of thing are bad no matter how you look at it. As…

Between signing off on warrants against journalists, signing off on the CIA murdering American citizens abroad (via OLC), and giving de facto immunity to banks and bank employees, Holder has been a terrible Attorney General. It's time for him to go.

Not to mention selling guns to Mexican cartels.

Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by jbooth »

ianstallings wrote: post #25
pekk wrote: post #16

This is part of an extremely strong partisan streak in HN's political postings over the last year or two which I find irritating and inappropriate. If I wanted right-wing skewed tech news, there is already Slashdot.

Slashdot is right wing? Bahahaha. That's funny. Did you know CmdrTaco actually works for the Washington Post now? Not exactly the fortress of the right wing. In fact, quite liberal. Some would say very liberal. Anywho, this topic is about government abuse, regardless of party.

Washington Post isn't liberal or conservative. It's beltway. If one party says that the sky is yellow, and the other party says it's red, the Washington Post will be there in all their wisdom to inform you that it's actually a shade of orange, and they're the mature adults who can rise above partisanship and see the truth.

Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by nhebb »

pekk wrote: post #16

This is part of an extremely strong partisan streak in HN's political postings over the last year or two which I find irritating and inappropriate. If I wanted right-wing skewed tech news, there is already Slashdot.

Like chiph I look at this as more of a civil liberties issue. There's always been a strong civil liberties contingent on HN, so while most political stories aren't fit for HN, I can see why this one has caught some peoples' attention here.

Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by glesica »

Nrsolis wrote: post #3

I supported Obama and worked for the campaign in 2008. I'm sad to see that this administration has been more aggressive in leak persecution than GWB. I don't think there is anything wrong in pursuing illegal leaks of classified information. I DO think it's wrong to target bona fide journalists for criminal prosecution based on their reporting. The optics of this kind of thing are bad no matter how you look at it. As…

> wrong to target bona fide journalists for criminal prosecution

I'm curious to know how you feel about Wikileaks. Part of the problem, I think, is that much of the media (including Fox) more or less cheered the administration on in its pursuit of Wikileaks. Journalism is an act and has a broad scope. Just as bloggers are journalists (finally recognized in recent years), people who accept documents and disseminate the information contained within those documents are, must be, journalists. As long as the media continue to try to draw a weirdly-shaped line between themselves and groups like Wikileaks, there will be no clear protection for journalists.

Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by 1337biz »

throwaway9848 wrote: post #33
Nrsolis wrote: post #3

I supported Obama and worked for the campaign in 2008. I'm sad to see that this administration has been more aggressive in leak persecution than GWB. I don't think there is anything wrong in pursuing illegal leaks of classified information. I DO think it's wrong to target bona fide journalists for criminal prosecution based on their reporting. The optics of this kind of thing are bad no matter how you look at it. As…

I didn't read the article, but I've heard nothing about him targeting _the journalist_ for prosecution. They are trying to target the leaker for disseminating classified information, and got a warrant to search the email account of the person he leaked to. By far the best part of this whole affair has been the journalistic pearl-clutching, as if they would be immune the the same laws permitting such invasions of priv…

Since you seem to be new around here: Please don't start a post with I didn't read the article. Some people on this site put a decent amount of work into their comments. So please spend at least the 5 minutes skimming through the article before making a statement.

Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by spinchange »

jbooth wrote: post #15
mtgx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an article on BI a few days ago saying how "Americans don't care" about the AP spying (from a survey), and that they cared a lot more about IRS and Benghazi. But let's put things in context. The IRS scandal, and especially the Benghazi one, have been trumpeted at least 10x more than the AP one. Maybe 100x more. With such "awareness campaign" is it really a surprise most people responded in the surveys with…

Yeah, I hate that circular logic. Americans drink more coke than pepsi, look at the advertising budgets. You hammer something on prime time every night for 6 months and people will think it's a bigger deal than the story you don't. There's not an actual scandal behind Benghazi. Literally none. They're alleging a cover-up, "of what?", "they're covering it up!". That's the whole story and somehow it's 6 months of airti…

Without asserting criminality, the Benghazi affair was entirely deserving of serious inquiry and investigation but regrettably we such have such immature and partisan Government that the opposition party chose to make it a completely farcical political spectacle.

So much that, it is easier for reasonable people to assume there's nothing to any of it other than political attacks when in fact there clearly was some kind of bureaucratic ineptitude and they were officially blaming a YouTube video for weeks.

Re: Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

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Post by bradleyjg »

glesica wrote: post #37
Nrsolis wrote: post #3

I supported Obama and worked for the campaign in 2008. I'm sad to see that this administration has been more aggressive in leak persecution than GWB. I don't think there is anything wrong in pursuing illegal leaks of classified information. I DO think it's wrong to target bona fide journalists for criminal prosecution based on their reporting. The optics of this kind of thing are bad no matter how you look at it. As…

> wrong to target bona fide journalists for criminal prosecution I'm curious to know how you feel about Wikileaks. Part of the problem, I think, is that much of the media (including Fox) more or less cheered the administration on in its pursuit of Wikileaks. Journalism is an act and has a broad scope. Just as bloggers are journalists (finally recognized in recent years), people who accept documents and disseminate th…

Aside from conspiracy theories regarding CIA pressure on Swedish prosecutors has the US government actually gone after the wikileaks organization at all? There were certain calls from individual congressmen and, as you mention, journalists, to do so, but I don't remember anything ever coming of it.
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