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Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns
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Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns
#12I can understand the worry about 3d printed weapons, but I don't see much of a difference between this an a zipgun besides that a common zipgun uses a metal tube for a barrel so it would show up on a metal detector. I am completely disinterested in any of the fearmongering about this weapon. There is no way to hold back technology to prevent violence, we just need to accept that and deal with not being asshats to eac…
So is it perfectly acceptable to kill people with home made guns and bombs for the progression of technology? This is actually terrorism. I see someone creating guns and killing people to be no different than boston bombers.
Technology is not the criminal here. Direct the resources and the anger at the criminals. If we spent half the time on dealing with the real issues (Hate and Prejudice) that we spent on trying to get rid of items that can kill people we would be far more effective at dealing with this problem. I'm just saying.
Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns
#13I can understand the worry about 3d printed weapons, but I don't see much of a difference between this an a zipgun besides that a common zipgun uses a metal tube for a barrel so it would show up on a metal detector. I am completely disinterested in any of the fearmongering about this weapon. There is no way to hold back technology to prevent violence, we just need to accept that and deal with not being asshats to eac…
So is it perfectly acceptable to kill people with home made guns and bombs for the progression of technology? This is actually terrorism. I see someone creating guns and killing people to be no different than boston bombers.
This conversation took a ridiculous turn.
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#14 "Police believe that despite this, the files are still circulating."
I can't believe someone would feel qualified to write an article, especially one that came out today, without explicitly knowing that, yes, the files are most assuredly still "circulating" via torrents.
Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns
#15I can understand the worry about 3d printed weapons, but I don't see much of a difference between this an a zipgun besides that a common zipgun uses a metal tube for a barrel so it would show up on a metal detector. I am completely disinterested in any of the fearmongering about this weapon. There is no way to hold back technology to prevent violence, we just need to accept that and deal with not being asshats to eac…
I'm not sure the theory that violence is caused by "people being asshats to each other" is accepted by anybody other than Wayne LaPierre.
Gun violence is caused, first and foremost, by the presence of a gun. A sufficient cause? Often yes, given appropriate context.
There are plenty of very successful ways to "hold back" this technology. It's called law.
Anyway I don't think anybody is worried about this 3d printed deal other than the press trying to get page views. The scrawny middle class kid who made it is an uninteresting attention whore, and the gun itself is a massive piece of shit. As others have pointed out, self-made ballistic weapons have been possible for years. This doesn't lower the convenience factor.
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#16Is anybody surprised? Even the inventor of the gun seems quite hesitant about how many times it can be fired safely. Anyone setting out to show how dangerous it can be can simply keep firing it until failure occurs. Voila! If article made any mention of how many times that gun was fired until it failed, I missed it.
Thats true. All gun will wear out and fail eventually.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
So is it perfectly acceptable to kill people with home made guns and bombs for the progression of technology? This is actually terrorism. I see someone creating guns and killing people to be no different than boston bombers.
Technology is not the criminal here. Direct the resources and the anger at the criminals. If we spent half the time on dealing with the real issues (Hate and Prejudice) that we spent on trying to get rid of items that can kill people we would be far more effective at dealing with this problem. I'm just saying.
Actually the real issue is the widely available capacity to put 15 bullet holes in a person in 10 seconds. Let's solve that issue first, then we can worry about "Hate and Prejudice".
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#18"This is now becoming a problem the world over," Scipione said. According to whom? The police forces that are trying to drum up FUD about hobby-manufactured firearms?
Part of the social contract in most societies is that the police are the only members of society who can use enough force to kill or injure anyone critically. The governments of these societies create laws to ensure that it is only special well regulated instances when an ordinary citizen can use deadly force (hunting of lower animals and self defense being two examples in the United States). Anywhere these guns can be manufactured successfully thwarts the old laws and contracts.
This means that it will be a "Problem", but no one can say for who. The big gun manufactures are going to be pissed and are already probably already preparing legislation to bitch slap any one who tries to produce these guns. The liberator people are working on making the guns not explode and hurt anyone. The police are scrambling to figure out how to reclaim their sole ownership of force. The people are waiting to see what happens.
Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns
#19Is anybody surprised? Even the inventor of the gun seems quite hesitant about how many times it can be fired safely. Anyone setting out to show how dangerous it can be can simply keep firing it until failure occurs. Voila! If article made any mention of how many times that gun was fired until it failed, I missed it.
Better still, did they mention what ammunition was used? Police typically use +P+ ammunition, especially in smaller calibers like .32 and .380. I have no doubt that the original inventor used standard pressure loads or even sub sonics to decrease the chance of a failure such as this. In the end the gun was a POC anyways, designed to show what could be done. What I find more disconcerting is the continue emphasis on h…
Defense Distributed added a piece of steel to the final build to make it detectible and legal. It's entirely possible most metal detectors won't pick it up.
Anecdote: I went to traffic court years ago, and after exiting the courthouse stuck my hand in my pocket and realized I had forgotten to remove a handful of .22 LR cartridges. They did not activate the detector.
Re: Australian police issue warning on 3D printed guns
#20I can understand the worry about 3d printed weapons, but I don't see much of a difference between this an a zipgun besides that a common zipgun uses a metal tube for a barrel so it would show up on a metal detector. I am completely disinterested in any of the fearmongering about this weapon. There is no way to hold back technology to prevent violence, we just need to accept that and deal with not being asshats to eac…
So is it perfectly acceptable to kill people with home made guns and bombs for the progression of technology? This is actually terrorism. I see someone creating guns and killing people to be no different than boston bombers.
I'm less laid back regarding this than most of the people in this thread (I think it is a problem) but your comment is ridiculous. First of all what has this got to do with bombs? It's a story about a home made gun. Also:
Terrorism: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
Until someone uses this to cause terror it isn't terrorism.
>> "I see someone creating guns and killing people to be no different than boston bombers."
For a start no one has been killed with this gun. People are killed with guns every day - that does not constitue terrorism. The Boston bombers committed mass murder of innocent people and caused 'terror' in Boston - that is terrorism.