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Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by VikingCoder »

greenyoda wrote: post #90
VikingCoder wrote: post #56

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In Windows 3.1 days, I absolutely would have used Paint, if I were lucky enough to have it open my file type. If you unplug both devices from the internet, there's absolutely no question at all which is superior - Windows, hands down, no argument from me. But if you let a Chromebook get on the internet, and you're comfortable using the best tools on the internet to solve your problems... there's a lot going for a Chr…

There are places where people want to use their computers where there's no internet, or very slow internet, or a fee for using the internet. For example, on airplanes.

Yeah, and there are places where people want to use their computers where there's no power. For example, on airplanes.

More airplanes are getting internet, and power.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by WayneDB »

VikingCoder wrote: post #89
WayneDB wrote: post #78

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YouTube or any other Internet Only service does not solve the problem of playing my videos very well. Why would I want to upload gigabytes of video instead of downloading a small program to play them locally? If I care about archiving things - why would I want to archive just my video files? I don't think anyone expects ChromeOS to have many built-in ways of doing things - but I also don't expect ChromeOS to be very…

> Why would I want to upload gigabytes of video To archive them. To share them. > If I care about archiving things - why would I want to archive just my video files? You wouldn't. You'd want to archive anything. I genuinely don't understand the point you were trying to make here. > it's not solving users' problems very well at all I disagree. It solves my problems better than most other devices. "Playing my videos,"…

I don't want or need to publish many of my videos or photos online. They are private; I'm a fairly private person.

Also - where am I supposed to put the terabytes of legally obtained digital media that I own? Can you upload every movie you own to YouTube? Furthermore, my NAS serves things quicker than any online service.

I also like a local player in case there's no Internet connection or if it's slow. I go camping in the mountains and my mobile provider has spotty coverage in remote regions.

So no, it doesn't solve the problem real well. I'll keep using my NAS and online backup service and general/full operating systems such as Windows, OS X, Debian and CentOS.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by VikingCoder »

WayneDB wrote: post #92
VikingCoder wrote: post #89

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> Why would I want to upload gigabytes of video To archive them. To share them. > If I care about archiving things - why would I want to archive just my video files? You wouldn't. You'd want to archive anything. I genuinely don't understand the point you were trying to make here. > it's not solving users' problems very well at all I disagree. It solves my problems better than most other devices. "Playing my videos,"…

I don't want or need to publish many of my videos or photos online. They are private; I'm a fairly private person. Also - where am I supposed to put the terabytes of legally obtained digital media that I own? Can you upload every movie you own to YouTube? Furthermore, my NAS serves things quicker than any online service. I also like a local player in case there's no Internet connection or if it's slow. I go camping i…

> They are private; I'm a fairly private person.

You don't need to publish them. I have YouTube videos uploaded which can only be seen by me - with my two-factor authentication. I bet they're more secure than most backups that most HN'ers use.

> So no, it doesn't solve the problem real well.

I'd wager most users don't have terabytes of data, or need to watch movies when they go camping in the mountains.

Bummer it doesn't work for you, but I still think there a lot of people it would work for.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by ised »

jlgreco wrote: post #72
VikingCoder wrote: post #71

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In the analogy, Chrome is Linux. If you want a full-fledged system, you use GNU/Linux, or probably a distro like Ubuntu. If you want a full-fledged system from Chrome, you use the Internet. You can text edit with sed, but that's not how anyone uses Linux, in real life, right?

One might argue that a Linux distro without vi, ex/ed, or at least nano/pico, but rather just sed is ludicrous because no user operates like that. If they included sed and intended it to be your text editor, as ChromeOS has included half-assed local picture and video playing (is this not what those things are for? Am I supposed to be using these things for stream manipulation, not picture/video viewing? Because if th…

I must inform you that there is a user who uses sed over all other text editors: me. I do use vi but I could easily survive without it; I have countless custom utilities that rely on sed. Surviving without sed would be difficult. Imagine a system that has pipes but where you cannot "write to disk"; where you do not have a TMPDIR for ed to use. With sed, this poses no problem.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by k__ »

jsolson wrote: post #54
k__ wrote: post #42

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I see, yeah this is probably nice, I know many people who abuse the tab-feature, because they don't like the bookmarks. (Never had a problem with it, but most people seem to think the bookmarks are "broken") I like Chrome over FFox and IE BECAUSE of the top-tabs. Firefox needs more vertical space and Internet Explorer just cripples them beneath the address bar :\

For me, bookmarks are a hole where content goes to die. Beyond about 5 of them which will get used more or less daily, I'm more likely to just search for content again than to think to check my bookmarks. Unfortunately this usually leads to 100-200 open tabs at any given time of things that are either "in-queue" for reading or research/reference for what I'm currently working on. I'm not going to claim it's the best…

I know what you mean, I only use a few bookmarks in the bookmarks-bar (sorted in folders) and the rest is lost...

So you saying, the fact that you have about 100-200 open tabs is not because you need them (...just search for content again...), but you just don't close them when not needed anymore?

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by VikingCoder »

ised wrote: post #94
jlgreco wrote: post #72

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One might argue that a Linux distro without vi, ex/ed, or at least nano/pico, but rather just sed is ludicrous because no user operates like that. If they included sed and intended it to be your text editor, as ChromeOS has included half-assed local picture and video playing (is this not what those things are for? Am I supposed to be using these things for stream manipulation, not picture/video viewing? Because if th…

I must inform you that there is a user who uses sed over all other text editors: me. I do use vi but I could easily survive without it; I have countless custom utilities that rely on sed. Surviving without sed would be difficult. Imagine a system that has pipes but where you cannot "write to disk"; where you do not have a TMPDIR for ed to use. With sed, this poses no problem.

Just out of curiosity - your resume was written in sed?

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by ised »

VikingCoder wrote: post #96
ised wrote: post #94

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I must inform you that there is a user who uses sed over all other text editors: me. I do use vi but I could easily survive without it; I have countless custom utilities that rely on sed. Surviving without sed would be difficult. Imagine a system that has pipes but where you cannot "write to disk"; where you do not have a TMPDIR for ed to use. With sed, this poses no problem.

Just out of curiosity - your resume was written in sed?

Actually, I used fmt. Then groff and ghostscript.

The job of fmt could be done with sed, of course. As many of HN'ers know, sed can perform the functions of many other UNIX utils. If used as an "all-purpose" program, perhaps it raises the possibility of the typical mantras about "the right tool for the job". But consider this: editing/transforming text (e.g. output from other programs) as a "job" is somewhat all-encompassing under UNIX. Everything can be a "file" and every file can be represented as "text" (e.g. ASCII, hex). What varies is the context in which you do this job of editing/transforming. It might be preprocessing source code (text) for gcc or maybe it's preprocessing a resume (text) for groff.

"When all you know is a sed, everything is a text." - Unknown

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by WayneDB »

VikingCoder wrote: post #93
WayneDB wrote: post #92

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I don't want or need to publish many of my videos or photos online. They are private; I'm a fairly private person. Also - where am I supposed to put the terabytes of legally obtained digital media that I own? Can you upload every movie you own to YouTube? Furthermore, my NAS serves things quicker than any online service. I also like a local player in case there's no Internet connection or if it's slow. I go camping i…

> They are private; I'm a fairly private person. You don't need to publish them. I have YouTube videos uploaded which can only be seen by me - with my two-factor authentication. I bet they're more secure than most backups that most HN'ers use. > So no, it doesn't solve the problem real well. I'd wager most users don't have terabytes of data, or need to watch movies when they go camping in the mountains. Bummer it doe…

> I have YouTube videos uploaded which can only be seen by me - with my two-factor authentication.

How can you be so sure? I think a Google employee or a three letter agency could probably look at them if they wanted to. What if Anonymous gets hold of them and wrongly identifies you as a bomber?

Also, I'd wager that most users don't need to have all of their videos, photos or other media available to them wherever they go or on whatever device they're using.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by jsolson »

k__ wrote: post #95
jsolson wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, bookmarks are a hole where content goes to die. Beyond about 5 of them which will get used more or less daily, I'm more likely to just search for content again than to think to check my bookmarks. Unfortunately this usually leads to 100-200 open tabs at any given time of things that are either "in-queue" for reading or research/reference for what I'm currently working on. I'm not going to claim it's the best…

I know what you mean, I only use a few bookmarks in the bookmarks-bar (sorted in folders) and the rest is lost... So you saying, the fact that you have about 100-200 open tabs is not because you need them (...just search for content again...), but you just don't close them when not needed anymore?

Many of them you could probably say at some level that I "need them", in that it'd be faster to find the tab among the open ones then to find the content again.

Usually they end up clustered into groups around particular topics. For example "all of the man pages for the BSD socket API" and "all of the RFCs for the protocol I'm implementing".

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Post by sbuk »

VikingCoder wrote: post #53
sbuk wrote: post #46

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Really? I'd suggest that Microsoft development of XMLHTTP and by extension XMLHttpRequest were pretty big developments for the web as we know it today. They certainly enabled Google to produce many of their services that are taken for granted today.

As I said, there's nothing wrong with your point of view. There's no denying that in the history of the web, those were important moments. I'd say the creation of the web browser, HTML, HTTP, were even larger moments. And in that regard, Microsoft and Google are standing side-by-side on the shoulders of giants. And I'd go further and say that when Google decided to make JavaScript performance a top-priority, and star…

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