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How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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There are a lot of caveats to the stats.

First, look at the browser marketshare table.

Notice how Net Applications shows Chrome only at 16% while the others are close to 40%? Wonder why?

Net Applications attempts to measure what individual users are using, while Statcounter tries to measure how much of browsing is done though a particular browser. That is, if you browse 1000 webpages a day and use Chrome, and your girlfriend browses only 50 but uses Firefox, Statcounter counts you as 20 times more marketshare than your girlfriend! In this hypothetical scenario, Statcounter will give Firefox 5% of marketshare and Chrome 95%, even though half of people use Firefox.

This is like setting up a lookout on a road in a typical US city and concluding that the Ford Crown Victoria is the most popular car in America, based on the fact that you see it most since the taxicabs and police patrol cars drive back and forth all day(since you're not tracking the license plate) while the best selling cars like the Honda Civic/Accord, Toyota Camry/Corolla are not driven as much during a typical day. So, if you're writing a Chrome app, you're targeting only around 16% of people, not 40%.

Google bundles Chrome by default with Flash, Acrobat and Java updates which are installed on 98% of computers by paying a lot for it, Mozilla has nowhere near the huge ad revenues like Google does. Not to mention how Chrome is pushed on Google properties like Gmail and Youtube. I keep seeing a "Slow browser? Upgrade to Chrome." message on Gmail sometimes while using the latest version of Opera.

The biggest challenge Chrome apps will have is that they won't run on the hottest devices right now, the iPad and iPhones. Apple prohibits any sort of native API or dynamic code in iOS apps so Chrome apps will be confined to HTML5 and WebGL.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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I used to be a Firefox fan but not anymore, I made chrome my default browser and I am highly satisfied. Now I use FF just to test while developing things. I love lightness of chrome and have shifted all dev related work to chrome. I wont be surprised if chrome becomes the first choice all the developers in next couple of years.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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post #4

Or rather, how Google plans to rule the consumer computing world. It's been a while since the average Facebook addict really needed a computer anyway, they can all throw their laptops away and switch full-time to phones and tablets and I won't care. But businesses and professionals have different needs. I don't see web apps and NaCl apps replacing Office suites, IDEs, or 3D graphic design tools anytime in the next de…

I think there is going to be a big departure in what developers want, and what consumers want. For the most part, over the last 10 years, those two groups were largely using the same computers and OS's, but that has already changed, and will continue to do so. If Google can get their platform in front a ton of people, the developers will most likely follow (although they maybe using different machines than the consumers).

On a random side note, just picked up a Samsung Chromebook. Loaded up crouton and Ubuntu. This thing definitely puts my 5 year old craptop to shame. If you already have a Macbook, you might not be as impressed, but for the price, this thing can't be beat. So to answer the question " What does your desktop look like a year from now?" Assuming the Chromebook holds up that long (although even if it doesn't, I can easily afford a new one), Ubuntu/Linux for dev(ish) work, and Chrome OS for browsing and non-work stuff (switching between the two is instant, and you can even stream music in Chrome OS and listen to it while in Ubuntu).

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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post #2

Good luck. There was a company in Redmond trying to do the same with IE.

"plans to rule the computing world through IE" serious overstatement, no? Should be "plans to rule the webbrowsing world through IE" probably..

Nope, with the likes of ActiveX they wanted more than just web browsing, they saw that net-delivered apps were the future. They just weren't as advanced/ambitious with their plans. Still, this will fail for Google as it did with MS, if that is indeed what they are trying to do.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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post #4

Or rather, how Google plans to rule the consumer computing world. It's been a while since the average Facebook addict really needed a computer anyway, they can all throw their laptops away and switch full-time to phones and tablets and I won't care. But businesses and professionals have different needs. I don't see web apps and NaCl apps replacing Office suites, IDEs, or 3D graphic design tools anytime in the next de…

FWIW, the company I work at just moved from a windows+office+outlook setup to google apps.

And it just worked. Very smooth migration.

Just a random datapoint, not claiming its a trend.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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I don't think I could disagree with the author more, and I am coming from the perspective of someone who also bought a pixel. (Actually we agree there, it is the best put together machine I've ever used... more on that later.)

I'm not running ChromeOS on my pixel right now. I tried it for a weekend, it wasn't my cup of tea, and I slapped Debian onto it instead. No big surprise there, I have different needs from most computer users. I want a web browser, a tiling window manager, and a metric fuckton of urxvt's on my screen at once... it doesn't surprise or concern me that I didn't like ChromeOS. I also don't like OSX and Windows 7/8; clearly I have minority interests.

Who is the target user of these systems then? Well, I may not like OSX or Windows, but I certainly understand at least a segment of their market. If my mother asks me for an opinion on what computer to get, I'm going to tell her to get a mac, or to stick with the windows Thinkpads she's traditionally gotten. Either of those are great for her, great for browsing the web, watching videos, and viewing pictures from her camera. Now, as I understand the marketing materials, this should make ChromeOS (probably not the pixel, considering the cost, but ChromeOS) a perfect choice for her. I wouldn't even consider recommending ChromeOS to her though, the reality of ChromeOS does not seem to fit the marketing materials or the author of this article's described reality.

I tried browsing pictures from my phone on it. My android phone. Fucking awful experience. All of the shine but none of the grace of OSX. Wasted screen-space everywhere, piss-poor file navigation, the works. Alright then, how about watching some videos? Plug in my portable harddrive only to discover that the video player on the thing has all the codec/container support of a bargain-brand smart-tv from 2007. My stock android phone does video a thousand times better than this shit. Fine, maybe I was expecting too much of the default video player. I don't expect my preferred mplayer to be available, but my brothers got my mother hooked on VLC a few years ago. Can I try that? Hahahaha no, what was I thinking? Alright, alright, what about webbrowsing? Well I guess it works exactly as you would expect. You open chrome and browse the web... nothing to complain about, nothing to get excited about. So score one for ChromeOS I guess?

The Pixel's hardware though.. my god it is fantastic. Well, aside from the absurdly tiny harddrive which would cripple any offline user with usage patterns terribly dissimilar from mine (for example: my mother). And aside from the uninspired RAM and processor offering... Those are not big complaints though, those failings don't represent significant technical challenges. They are things that could easily be fixed in the next revision. If those things are resolved the next generation of Pixel could be a serious contender, as a piece of hardware, to any of Apple's offerings. They just don't have the software to do it though. If this ChromeOS crap does end up taking off in a few years it will be despite the current state of affairs, much like Android's current popularity is despite the abysmal quality of earlier versions. The market for desktop OS's is entirely different from the 2007-era smartphone market though; ChromeOS isn't "that thing you use if your executives shit their pants when the iPhone was unveiled."

Who would I recommend a pixel to? Nobody... nobody except for a very small list of users that I know have usage patterns very similar to my own (and to them I could not recommend the computer strongly enough). This could easily be fixed though. Their hardware could have a future for itself.

Who would I recommend ChromeOS to, with any imaginable hardware? I honestly have no idea, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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post #2

Good luck. There was a company in Redmond trying to do the same with IE.

Difference: IE was ugly and IE experience was ugly.

I personally find Chrome 'ugly'. Surely 'ugly' is an opinion? Also, I challenge your "IE experience was ugly." comment. Many seem to forget how revolutionary and influential IE 6 is. Google are very much standing on Microsoft shoulders here, like it or not.

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Difference: IE was ugly and IE experience was ugly.

I personally find Chrome 'ugly'. Surely 'ugly' is an opinion? Also, I challenge your "IE experience was ugly." comment. Many seem to forget how revolutionary and influential IE 6 is . Google are very much standing on Microsoft shoulders here, like it or not.

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Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

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post #16

I don't think I could disagree with the author more, and I am coming from the perspective of someone who also bought a pixel. (Actually we agree there, it is the best put together machine I've ever used... more on that later.) I'm not running ChromeOS on my pixel right now. I tried it for a weekend, it wasn't my cup of tea, and I slapped Debian onto it instead. No big surprise there, I have different needs from most…

What browser do you use?

Re: How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome

#20
The precedent of Microsoft + DOJ and in Europe about IE means that some walled garden vendors will be somewhat reluctant to restrict browsers - especially if google has big enough legal guns. Which could give a (complicated) holes in the wall for vendors and users that like the hardware but hate the appstores.
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