Every time I read the word passion in one of these articles I cringe. This has to be the most overused word in silicon valley. It's really just a convenient way to abuse people. Can't work 90 hours? Not passionate enough. Have a family commitment? Where's your passion? Passion. We get it already.
Ha, you forgot this list: "disrupt!" "only the beginning" "ninja" "agile" "seamless" "social media"
Always Be Coding – How to Land an Engineering Job
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly! This is why we, at my job, only hire software engineers after a (paid) two-day test period in which they actually build some new feature on one of our products. Nothing too fancy but interesting enough for them to be a challenge and representative enough for us to see what they're capable of. At least as important: they will have lunch with us, talk with us, have fun with the rest of the team, ... This allow…
How do you cope with people who are presently employed but want to interview? Do you expect them to find two days of absence from their present employer to test themselves at your company? I mean for me that's no problem, but I don't live in the US and therefore have pretty liberal employee leave arrangements. I know that many companies in the US are a lot harder on giving out leave. That said, it wouldn't surprise m…
For every position they are hiring, there would typically be 2 or 3 candidates who spend the day in the school (including teaching a class).
Is getting 2 days off of work really that difficulty (if you plan far enough in advance)?
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#183Re-invent the wheel. You should implement the most common data structures in your language of choice. [...] While I agree that it helps a lot understanding those data structures by implementing them, it might be good to add "Don't use them in production!" paragraph.
Yeah, the funny thing about all the data structures & algorithms quizzes is that the simplest solution is usually a recursive one, and the big-O performance is sort of irrelevant because chances are you're using a language that doesn't have tail-call optimization and you're going to blow the stack frame for any large value of n anyway.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's really not. At least at large organizations, it is taken for granted that anyone you hire will pass the bar exam. It doesn't factor into the hiring decision at all.
So I could walk into a Law office and if I talk a good game I'll get hired without having passed the bar? If not, then it is a part of the hiring process, as it is a pre-interview filter.
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
So I could walk into a Law office and if I talk a good game I'll get hired without having passed the bar? If not, then it is a part of the hiring process, as it is a pre-interview filter.
By extending this logic, kindergarten is part of the hiring process. Better make sure you get into that top-notch preschool if you want to get a job at Google in 20 years!
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#186Re: Always Be Coding – How to Land an Engineering Job
#187Hiring is entirely broken. I don't think anyone is listening to developers. I took some data about this (tracking pixel in a Developer Auction profile), but someone did an even better job than me and posted in these comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5730843 I want a company that treats me with dignity and respect, even before and during the interviewing pipeline. How a company treats people during interv…
> I want a "1-hour guarantee" that I'll receive your considered offer after one hour of interviewing ...I wouldn't have hired many of my fellow engineers after an hour. I would at least want two interviews, one with me (the line manager), and one with my team. To flip it the other way round, I don't think I could get a good enough feel for an employer from a single hour. I'm not sure this works for everyone. I would,…
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#188To properly prepare for these interviews you have to invest quite a bit of time. At this point in my life (late 20s), my time is one of my most valuable resources. So, the last thing I want to do is spend that time effectively preparing for a data structures and algorithms exam. Each time I sit down to brush up on the details of Prim's algorithm or the exact implementation of quicksort, my eyes glaze over and I start…
I feel exactly the same. I can master any and all graph algorithms under the sun if I want to but why? Just for a job? I would rather be building things.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's really not. At least at large organizations, it is taken for granted that anyone you hire will pass the bar exam. It doesn't factor into the hiring decision at all.
So I could walk into a Law office and if I talk a good game I'll get hired without having passed the bar? If not, then it is a part of the hiring process, as it is a pre-interview filter.
Re: Always Be Coding – How to Land an Engineering Job
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
By extending this logic, kindergarten is part of the hiring process. Better make sure you get into that top-notch preschool if you want to get a job at Google in 20 years!
I don't think this follows. No one is going to check whether you passed preschool before interviewing for a job at a law firm. Presumably, someone in the process is going to check whether you passed the bar before you have a sit-down with the CEO. I'm guessing that for anyone who sets foot in an interview for a law firm, the interviewer expects he or she to have passed. This expectation comes from the fact that someo…
Most large firms draw their entry-level associates from their pool of summer interns, which they hire two years before they graduate law school and take the bar exam. They also usually give people a mulligan on failing the bar exam the first time, so people might work somewhere for 6+ months before passing the bar.