Good idea, questionable execution: * Should have had a female in the group * The first guy isn't "learning to code", he's a programmer learning a new language/framework
Why does it matter if a female didn't end up being in it?
Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
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Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#22Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The response rates to questions must be prompt – the difference between getting an answer in 30 seconds and 10 minutes is huge for me, and I've been writing software for 15 years. It's only worse for beginners. I think the there is a lot of learning involved when you are trying to figure out an answer. If things are answered very quickly they won't try at all and ask the person, even though the answer is very simpl…
I agree in the principle you're after (independence beats dependent on someone else) but not the method. Quick response rates help people feel not alone . And that's really really important because alone is too close to helpless is too close to powerless is too close to giving up. To develop independence you need a good teacher. That's one who helps you understand why the answer is the answer, rather than just gives…
I agree with this. When I was first learning to code I was ten, and my mentor would show me the solution, and I would go 'aaaah I get it now', and then he's ask me if I really understood it, which I would sometimes reply with 'not really, no'.
Copy paste compile, a terrible way to "learn".
Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#24Is `noob' considered acceptable terminology?
It used to be that "noob" was rude (referring to a new or incompetent person who is stupid and irritating) and "newb" was not (referring to a new person who should be treated kindly and helped along). Maybe the meanings are starting to blend together?
Maybe there was a time in your linguistic community when those words meant that. I suggest that this is not universal. I've seen lots of people in games use "newb" in a profanity-laden attack, and I've seen people people say things like "c'mon, don't grief the noobs, pick on someone your own size".
What's the difference between "geek" and "nerd"? Ask five language communities, get five different answers. Or ten answers, if you ask the same five language communities again two years later.
When you use slang in a new speech community, you need to expect that to your listener, it probably doesn't mean what you think it means, especially in fine nuance like you're claiming exists between "newb" and "noob" (or "n00b" or "newbie" or "nooby" or "noobie" or ...)
Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#25Is `noob' considered acceptable terminology?
"Acceptable terminology"? What does that even mean? What would it mean to be "unacceptable terminology", short of being legally prohibited hate speech?
Are you asking if other HNers are offended by it? Are you asking if other HNers think you should be offended by it? Are you seeking support for a community censure of people who use that language? Are you asking if you can go around calling anyone with less experience a "noob", without context? Are you asking if you can, in some context, write marketing copy that contains the word "noob", and has a desireable outcome? (My answers are "no", "no", "no", "no", and "yes", in case one of those was your question.)
I feel like your question is fundamentally confused, and it's the sort of confusion that leads other people to make snarky comments about "being PC", which drags down useful conversations about healthy community standards. Maybe I'm the confused one, though, so please help me to understand.
Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#26I'm happy to see them going ahead with this. Codelearn has some interesting technology under the hood and deserves a bit more recognition than it seems to have had so far. (Disclaimer: I've had a preview of their platform as I often write about Ruby/Rails stuff.) Another thing to bear in mind is that this almost harks back to how the Rails community was in 2004-2006. A ton of people blogging about the things they'd l…
Intriguing! What's the tech under the hood?
Its Ruby on Rails itself :).
Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
It used to be that "noob" was rude (referring to a new or incompetent person who is stupid and irritating) and "newb" was not (referring to a new person who should be treated kindly and helped along). Maybe the meanings are starting to blend together?
Maybe there was a time in your linguistic community when those words meant that. I suggest that this is not universal. I've seen lots of people in games use "newb" in a profanity-laden attack, and I've seen people people say things like "c'mon, don't grief the noobs, pick on someone your own size". What's the difference between "geek" and "nerd"? Ask five language communities, get five different answers. Or ten answe…
Maybe not universal, but certainly very common.
Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#28Is `noob' considered acceptable terminology?
"Acceptable terminology"? What does that even mean? What would it mean to be "unacceptable terminology", short of being legally prohibited hate speech? Are you asking if other HNers are offended by it? Are you asking if other HNers think you should be offended by it? Are you seeking support for a community censure of people who use that language? Are you asking if you can go around calling anyone with less experience…
I was merely wondering whether this word is OK to use. Do people think it rude and immature-sounding, or is it a simple term that passes without comment?
That's all!
Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The response rates to questions must be prompt – the difference between getting an answer in 30 seconds and 10 minutes is huge for me, and I've been writing software for 15 years. It's only worse for beginners. I think the there is a lot of learning involved when you are trying to figure out an answer. If things are answered very quickly they won't try at all and ask the person, even though the answer is very simpl…
I agree in the principle you're after (independence beats dependent on someone else) but not the method. Quick response rates help people feel not alone . And that's really really important because alone is too close to helpless is too close to powerless is too close to giving up. To develop independence you need a good teacher. That's one who helps you understand why the answer is the answer, rather than just gives…
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Re: Follow the journey of three beginners who are learning to code
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
It used to be that "noob" was rude (referring to a new or incompetent person who is stupid and irritating) and "newb" was not (referring to a new person who should be treated kindly and helped along). Maybe the meanings are starting to blend together?
Maybe there was a time in your linguistic community when those words meant that. I suggest that this is not universal. I've seen lots of people in games use "newb" in a profanity-laden attack, and I've seen people people say things like "c'mon, don't grief the noobs, pick on someone your own size". What's the difference between "geek" and "nerd"? Ask five language communities, get five different answers. Or ten answe…
s/noob/child/g