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Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Such as?

Hiding protocol in the URL bar. Fading the server "file path" after a domain name. Tabs in the title bar. Non-native look. No menu toolbar. Status bar. And those are just the ones I'm aware of.

What operative system are you using? On GNU/Linux - http / https are visible in the url bar - tabs are under the url bar (and under any other bar you activated) - menu is still there - status bar can be toggled on/off

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Google used to support openness, and now it is being less open, and therefore less "good". A step in a direction that is less "good" is a step towards "evil". It's not unreasonable to say that Google is being more evil. It's not a stretch to say that Google can't be trusted not to be evil if they've moved in a more evil (or less good) direction.

I think you're applying a a value judgement to a technical issue. "Open" pertains to the nature of certain software and standard. It's not inherently good or evil; you're just choosing to assign that value based on how it correlates with the world you'd like to see. I'd prefer things be more open too, but I don't agree that being less open is somehow inherently "more evil." You can have an entirely non-open company t…

The concept of "good" and "evil" is inherently a value judgement. Less open is more evil for some people. That's not wrong, you just don't agree with it. It's values, not everyone will agree.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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> Replacing Dropbox doesn't seem practical right now. Owncloud is buggy, Sparkleshare seems like a "when you've got a hammer, everything's a nail" kind of solution, and I haven't tried Seafile yet because the configuration is intimidating and I haven't really heard anything about it. git-annex-assistant provides a friendly Dropbox replacement, with a web-based GUI and a magically synced/shared folder. Supports Linux,…

Replacing dropbox is an easy task. Have u tried tonido ( http://www.tonido.com )

A lot of your short comment history is about Tonido. If you're affiliated with them in some way, you should disclose it when you talk about them on HN.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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I think you're applying a a value judgement to a technical issue. "Open" pertains to the nature of certain software and standard. It's not inherently good or evil; you're just choosing to assign that value based on how it correlates with the world you'd like to see. I'd prefer things be more open too, but I don't agree that being less open is somehow inherently "more evil." You can have an entirely non-open company t…

The concept of "good" and "evil" is inherently a value judgement. Less open is more evil for some people. That's not wrong, you just don't agree with it. It's values, not everyone will agree.

It's a way of framing an argument that discourages rational discussion of the actual merits of each side. It's not whether or not I agree with that value judgement that matters; it's that assigning those kinds of judgement is often a way to preclude any deeper or more nuanced discussion.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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And which one is going to be your next phone? An iPhone? or a Windows Phone? Just curious.

I'm personally curious about a FFOS phone. Especially since it doesn't require a Google account.

Android doesn't require a Google Account to operate. You just won't be able to use Google services or third-party apps that use them.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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I've been working on removing myself from the Google silo for the past few months. It's tough, and the alternatives just aren't as good or convenient as what Google offers, but I think it's an important thing to do at least on principle. I found Owncloud to be difficult to install and very buggy. For self-hosted CalDAV/CardDAV, I chose Baikal ( http://http://baikal-server.com/ ) instead of Radicale. It seemed easier…

For replacing dropbox I recommend copy.com - they give you 15GB for free (or 20GB if you use my ref link: https://copy.com?r=alqolW) instead of dropbox's tiny 2GB. Their client app looks and behaves very similar to dropbox and they support all important platforms.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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The concept of "good" and "evil" is inherently a value judgement. Less open is more evil for some people. That's not wrong, you just don't agree with it. It's values, not everyone will agree.

It's a way of framing an argument that discourages rational discussion of the actual merits of each side. It's not whether or not I agree with that value judgement that matters; it's that assigning those kinds of judgement is often a way to preclude any deeper or more nuanced discussion.

That's a fair point, and it's easy to get caught in the trap of discussing things in such absolute terms.

I aim for clarity (often missing it entirely), and using absolute terms such as 'good' and 'evil' reduces clarity. I'm glad that I found this comment.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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It would be really great if somebody wrapped up all the open source material available and made an image available to AWS and other VPS users. Use the image, have email, an XMPP server, etc -- out of the box. On your own dime. I'd pay for it.

The Citadel groupware suite[1] provides provides KVM and VMWare images[2] that could easily be imported into EC2. Found it as part of my own research into reducing my reliance on Gmail and other hosted services, but haven't had a chance to try it out yet. [1] http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/doku.php?id=start [2] http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/installation:appliance

I installed them, and the service seems really reliable. And is also really easy to install. The main drawback is the horrible interface. But you can use your favorite email cliente with smtp.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Tabs in a treeview is better again, and is not possible with Chrome. I also object to the lack of a menu bar, for bookmarks in particular. I have an extension that emulates it, but nothing that can properly emulate treeview tabs - I can't imagine ever going to a browser without this.

> I also object to the lack of a menu bar, for bookmarks in particular. It does have a menu bar, with bookmarks in particular. http://i.imgur.com/awPDYp4.jpg

I'm using it on Linux and Windows.
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