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You Are Less Beautiful Than You Think

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Re: You Are Less Beautiful Than You Think

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If you haven't seen the Dove commercial, you should watch it while reading this article from The Last Psychiatrist: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/05/dove.html

Although the article is interesting, I think one of the comments is much more "to the point": What gets me about this ad is that no one understands why the women basically described themselves as trolls and the women they were talking to as goddesses. They're being filmed. They know it, and they know it's being put up somewhere. They don't want to be seen as having an over-inflated ego - they know exactly how it's go…

Yes that was pretty obvious looking at the Ad. People are very less likely to criticize other people's appearance before a camera especially in a country like US where people tend to be ridiculously politically correct.

Re: You Are Less Beautiful Than You Think

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There are a host of potential problems with the experiment design as descried in the article, though since the original research is behind a paywall, I imagine I will remain ignorant of the excruciating experimental design details. The author of the SciAm article throws around such nonsense as "computer retouched" to make more attractive, as if the entire result did not depend on exactly how that was undertaken.

It's doubtful that the results could be replicated and almost certain that they never will.

This "science" is such bullshit and an utter waste of time and money. It does not broaden the scope of human knowledge, because 1) its probably not true, and 2) even if it is, it is only demonstrably true within a tiny context. We were far better off when psychologists did not conduct experiments, and just considered their experience and thought deeply. Covering a turd in a thin veneer of p-values and R-squareds does not make it science.

Re: You Are Less Beautiful Than You Think

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The "parody" version of the Dove video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpWkZiZaQsA

Nowhere in this video is gender mentioned, or psychological conditions like body dysmorphic disorder, or even just plain old depression. One way to diagnose depression is that fallacy they mentioned where everyone thinks they're better than average, well, it doesn't work on depressed patients, they're the opposite.

This article is ridiculously oversimplified and really offers very little insight into the subject. It's a very nuanced topic.

Re: You Are Less Beautiful Than You Think

#57

> Most people believe that they are above average, a statistical impossibility It's perfectly possible for the majority to be above the mean. If most people believed to be above the median, that would be a statistical impossibility. I think there is another reason for people to believe their results in some areas are better than those of others: because of their own world view. A teacher who focusses on controlling t…

You're exactly right. When I try to make myself look attractive, I aspire to my own standards (and my wife's). When others try to make themselves look attractive, they aspire to their different standards. We modify a lot of things about our own looks, which may not be as blatant as hair dye: clothing, hairstyle, makeup, facial hair, eyewear, and of course our own facial expressions. This means others have a lot of opportunity to boost themselves according to their standards, and penalize themselves according to mine.

Likewise, I'm more likely to have a "good life" than others by my own definition. I'm more likely to be "educated" than others in the fields which I consider education important. I'm more likely to find the "right balance" between work and family, or between present and future, or between hope and realism, because I'm aspiring to exactly the point which I consider "right".

Generally, people tend to do better according to their own standards than others' standards, and are thus more likely to be "above average".

Re: You Are Less Beautiful Than You Think

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>The same morphing procedure was applied to a picture of a stranger, whom the study participant met three weeks earlier during an unrelated study. Participants tended to select the unmodified picture of the stranger.

This is the dumbest reasoning I can fathom if they wanted to prove that others think we are less attractive. All it proved is that other people have a good memory of what we look like.

They should have done this the opposite way. (Show the stranger an ugly-morphed version of the person's face and the regular version, if they chose the uglier version it would prove they remembered them as being uglier than they saw them originally.)

All they proved in that study is that the majority of humans have a good memory and that we WANT to look more attractive than we actually are. We don't think it, not most of us anyways, but we sure want to look better. When you show us a good picture and bad picture of ourselves and ask us to choose, we're going to pick the good looking one without a doubt.

"Oh yea, the one with the buckteeth and zits over there is me!"

Re: You Are Less Beautiful Than You Think

#60
Slightly related (to the fact that the idea we have of ourself is different by how others see us) I suggest you to read the italian classic "Uno, nessuno e centomila" (One, No one and One Hundred Thousand) by Luigi Pirandello: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One,_No_one_and_One_Hundred_Tho...
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