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Why Silicon Valley is not the second coming of the Gilded Age

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Re: Why Silicon Valley is not the second coming of the Gilded Age

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I agree to a large extent, but a lot of Democrats do support the healthcare reform which is one of the greatest wealth redistributions of our time. They may not explicitly call it a wealth redistribution, but the idea of making healthcare access available to people that can't currently afford it is a big redistribution.

Like most existing government programs, it's a wealth transfer from the young to the old. The program pays for the old and sick on the back of the comparatively more healthy and less wealthy younger workers. More supporting evidence that democracies tend to work in favor of the largest voting blocs rather than some abstract "public interest".

> Like most existing government programs, it's a wealth transfer from the young to the old.

It seems accurate to say that Medicare is as you describe -- we've more or less been socializing the costs of insuring the elderly, privatizing the risks/benefits of insuring the employable, and letting everybody else fend for themselves for a few decades.

But it seems pretty tenuous specifically in the context of the recent PP/ACA legislation. The only arguable point is that by requiring people to join a risk pool, we're forcing them to subsidize the elderly... which we were already doing via a tax-supported medicare program.

> The program pays for the old and sick on the back of the comparatively more healthy and less wealthy younger workers.

Sure, in the same sense that any insurance program is. That is, there is no insurance program of any kind that isn't a "wealth transfer" to those who suffer from the insured-against event from those who don't.

Though when talking about "young" and "old" in the context of a stable policy, this may not be a particularly important point. Most people are going to get a chance to be part of both.

Re: Why Silicon Valley is not the second coming of the Gilded Age

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"It gets at both our desire to be competitive in the global marketplace, but also to be more fair and equitable in the way we share our wealth. True libertarians would be repulsed at the thought."

I don't think this guy really understands libertarianism. Libertarian principles don't say anything about how private actors choose to distribute ownership. Most libertarians are only "repulsed" if government forces private actors to distribute ownership in a particular way. If spreading out equity more evenly among employees makes a particular firm more competitive, then awesome, that's how the market works.

Re: Why Silicon Valley is not the second coming of the Gilded Age

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Well feel better - there is no right/left divide in America. By the standards of anywhere else there is only very right / slightly less right. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled off was convincing Americans that anyone to the left of Attila the Hun was a Communist... What I find odd is that the article equates libertarianism with Rand and the Koch brothers, as if no other type exists. There's also a hint of con…

The Democratic Party is trying to gobble up more of the economy to spend through the federal government, the Republican Party is trying to make it eat less. How are they not left and right?

You can't map being right and left wing to a scale measured by "desired percentage of GDP to be spent by the government." Consider: Bush or Clinton? Huckabee or Romney? FDR or Hitler? Ukrainian anarchists or Stalin? French monarchists or Jacobins? Southern segregationists or Northern industrialists?

Re: Why Silicon Valley is not the second coming of the Gilded Age

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Yeah, this quote is totally off base. Finance, consulting, law, and accounting all distribute company earnings very widely (often, entirely) to the people who do the actual work. These companies also tend to have much flatter structures than Silicon Valley tech companies. The greenest associate at a big NYC law or consulting firm probably has just a few levels above him to the managing partner or CEO. The structure i…

Thank you for this. Lawyers and bankers actually have a sharkish will to negotiate for themselves. They're good at what they do, they're powerful allies and formidable enemies, and they know it. People don't often try to take advantage of them, even when one is senior and the other's a greenhorn. They know better. In 7 years, that junior you tweaked is going to be partner-level somewhere and might end up surprising y…

That's why you start a company. Build a good looking product, that will really never make money, and pimp your team to all larger companies. Maybe one will bite, and will buy your company (basically hiring bonuses).

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Does it strike anyone else as odd that everyone in the Silicon Valley software industry has nearly unanimous views on social policy? I've never been to Silicon Valley, but I have spent my entire life and career among engineers, and I have observed diverse views on such issues as gay marriage, climate change, abortion, etc.

Re: Why Silicon Valley is not the second coming of the Gilded Age

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Political affiliation seems like a red herring in a two party system. It wouldn't surprise me if people in SV vote democrat because they don't like certain things associated with the republicans (religion , anti-gay rights, guns , whatever) rather than agreeing wholesale with the democratic party manifesto.

In a straw poll at work some years ago we found that a hypothetic economically liberal, and socially liberal party would handily trounce both Democrats and Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if the same holds fairly broadly among people in IT. As the old joke goes, "I can't vote Democratic because I want to be able to spend my money, and I can't vote Republican because of what I want to spend my money on!"

By economic liberal do you mean left wing? Economic liberalism usually refers to right wing economic policies.

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This article conflates Libertarians with Republicans which I don't think makes sense in Silicon Valley. Yes, nationwide they tend to be in the same group but not in the valley. Judging from comments on HN the valley does sound quite libertarian but not the kind that register and vote Republican. It seems more intellectual and based in logic while Republicans are more about dogma and scoring political points.

I would say there are few dominant strands of political views in Silicon Valley: * "Liberaltarian" ( http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/liberaltarians ). Generally libertarian views (support for free markets, drug de-criminalization, gay rights, right to bear arms, open borders, etc...) but where views on social issues (namely basic civil liberties, gay rights, drug de-criminalization, open borders) trump (b…

Good analysis. It's also interesting to plot those categories against professions. In my experience, engineers and programmers tend to be the most libertarian (for a reasonable non-Objectivist definition of libertarian). It's the marketing and legal and HR and sales and other departments that tend to be more liberal, and by that I mean less concerned with economic liberties. VCs tend to be libertarian as well.

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This article conflates Libertarians with Republicans which I don't think makes sense in Silicon Valley. Yes, nationwide they tend to be in the same group but not in the valley. Judging from comments on HN the valley does sound quite libertarian but not the kind that register and vote Republican. It seems more intellectual and based in logic while Republicans are more about dogma and scoring political points.

I think he did a good job at making the distinction. Not sure if you got the jist of it, but he clearly states that despite the heavy libertarian leaning culture, SV overwhelmingly voted for Democrats the last few elections, indicating they were not on board with the Republican platform. My take on it is that SV is 'liberaltarian', in that they prefer small, efficient, decentralized organizational structures, but tha…

Also remember that there was a very pro-George W. Bush sentiment in Silicon Valley in 2000, but eight years of the pro-war, pro-deficit spending Bush administration was enough to turn things around in 2008.

From 2008:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10079225-38.html Calling venture capitalist Tim Draper an ardent Republican is something of an understatement. In 1999, he was enough of a fan of then-candidate George W. Bush that he chaired three fundraisers over a year before the actual election. Salon once dubbed him "George W.'s point man in Silicon Valley." The Draper, Fisher Jurvetson managing partner is a longtime proponent of limited government, free markets, and libertarian concepts like school vouchers, making him a natural fit for a political party whose platform lauds "lower taxes, reasonable regulation, and smaller, smarter government." This year, though, something odd happened. Draper gave $2,300--the legal maximum--to Barack Obama and zero to John McCain. Draper also did something that would have been unthinkable in the days when Bush was touting laissez-faire principles: he disclosed publicly that he will vote for a Democrat. [...]

Re: Why Silicon Valley is not the second coming of the Gilded Age

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I find it somewhat funny that the original New Yorker article about the tech industry's insularity is itself hidden behind a paywall; I actually wanted to submit the Packer article itself this morning but didn't bother. Nonetheless, I do think Johnson does a decent job of giving the other side. But I did send this as a letter to the editor, since it concerns a pet peeve that I constantly see in the media: George Pack…

This is why homeowners shouldn't be allowed to vote. They are happy to cause homelessness as long as their property values rise. It's disgusting.
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