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Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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google's silo is as good as or better than most, and I trust Larry Page not to do the-wrong-thing more than most CEOs out there... just always keep a backup and don't worry, be happy

I guess this is a backlash (albeit an opportunistic one for some) against Google's previously touted love for openness. I agree with the OP that unlike Larry Page, Eric Schmidt was the one who always talked openly (forgive the pun) about openness.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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The biggest problem with Gmail alternatives is missing hotkeys. Outlook.com is the only one I've found that even comes close, but things are still different enough to be irritating.

Outlook.com has an option for using the Gmail keyboard shortcuts.

Yep, and that's what I meant. However not all of them are identical to Gmail, and some pretty basic commands at that.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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How well would all of these tie in with android or some other mobile OS?

Unfortunately CalDAV and CarDAV are not supported natively by Android. In order to utilize a CalDAV or CarDAV server, an android user needs to purchase both a CalDAV adapter [1] and a CarDAV adapter [2]. Both of these products are in beta and last time I checked they were lacking support for much of the protocol. It's really a shame that Google doesn't support open standards for contacts and calendar in Android. [1]…

Ouch. Thanks for the info. Switching to CarDAV is one of my upcoming projects but I'm not looking forward to it.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Hiding protocol in the URL bar. Fading the server "file path" after a domain name. Tabs in the title bar. Non-native look. No menu toolbar. Status bar. And those are just the ones I'm aware of.

Tabs in the title bar is a better UI decision. The URL box belongs to the tab, so it should be part of the tab. Your objection here seems to be 'Firefox mimicked Chrome and this is a bad thing', rather than these things being objectively bad.

Tabs in a treeview is better again, and is not possible with Chrome.

I also object to the lack of a menu bar, for bookmarks in particular. I have an extension that emulates it, but nothing that can properly emulate treeview tabs - I can't imagine ever going to a browser without this.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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No, it's not evil to make or ask for money to use your product; it's not evil to discontinue services, especially not with 6-24 month advanced warning; and it's not evil to literally want to be the omnipresent center of everyone's lives. How exactly is Google evil? Their resources have not stopped lesser alternatives from doing business, even with a core product (eg. search) of their's, so it's not that. DuckDuckGo i…

> How exactly is Google evil? Well, there's an account out there with my real name tied to it that I never wanted to happen and to this day have no idea how it got there. I don't have a Google + account. Probably there was something that I clicked when I was tying my mobile phone to my Google account or something. I can't find any way to delete it either. My YouTube account keeps telling me I should use my real name…

And which one is going to be your next phone? An iPhone? or a Windows Phone? Just curious.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Mozilla should build a whole suite of services like mail, calendar, docs, files, photos, etc so they can start offering free ad-based or vip ad-free subscriptions.

They have the resources, the browser and the community to make it work.

I always say I'd like to have a myname@firefox.com account from where to manage all my web presence.

Imagine a hundred million people registering just to grab their vanity plate.

From there... profit!

Mozilla guys, if you are interested just reply to this thread, I'll contact you right away to get the ball rolling.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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A lot of people here are suggesting moving from one closed ecosystem (Google) to another. Unless you are really moving to a fully open source alternative which has all - email, calendar, cloud storage, may be a browser and an integrated smartphone etc. I don't see much point behind doing that, especially since Google doesn't have much track record of "misusing" your data in practical terms (that I know of at east).

The only FOSS organization which is capable of doing and promoting it on a large scale looks like Mozilla. They already have a few of those, and a Firefox OS phone is coming as well. Mozilla guys, are you listening?

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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The article is incorrect: there is no free tier but there is a 2 month free trial. https://www.fastmail.fm/action/signup/?type=personal&acc... In terms of additional features: - Support for Sieve scripts - LOVE this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_(mail_filtering_language) - Way faster loading time, snapper interface - Lots more customizability (look at the display settings for an individual folder: https://files.…

Undo send? In order to do that, we would have to hold all outbound emails until a delay threshold was reached... I'm not sure if that's a good idea.

What would make it a bad idea? Just delay sending it for a user-specified amount of time (I think Gmail does 5s, 10s, and 30s), then have the UI for undo-ing the send disappear after the time elapses

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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I've been working on removing myself from the Google silo for the past few months. It's tough, and the alternatives just aren't as good or convenient as what Google offers, but I think it's an important thing to do at least on principle. I found Owncloud to be difficult to install and very buggy. For self-hosted CalDAV/CardDAV, I chose Baikal ( http://http://baikal-server.com/ ) instead of Radicale. It seemed easier…

For an OSS self-hosted e-mail appliance, I've been using iRedMail. It's built on dovecot/postfix with a decent management interface for free. I run it on Ramnode for 2 bucks a month with no other costs. Works fine.

128mb RAM is enough?

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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I'm surprised no Microsoft alternatives are mentioned here -- Skydrive, Outlook.com, and Office 365 are very solid. I have very specific use cases for Google that prevent me from switching (long story) but if I could I would use the MSFT products in a heart beat. Also, Yahoo Mail + Calendar + Flickr + Tumblr are pretty solid now-a-days, with lots of positive upside with the new company direction; however I'm iffy on…

> I'm surprised no Microsoft alternatives are mentioned ... Also, Yahoo ...

The author explains why he didn't consider them in his second paragraph: "Moving, for example, from Google Calendar to Yahoo Calendar solves very little in the long run, because Yahoo’s business interests are exactly the same as Google’s: advertising and consumer lock-in."

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