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Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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You have to be biting your tongue awfully hard to shoot off "Google is, in other words, the new AOL." He admits all of the services are not complete alternatives, save for maybe RSS readers. In other words, either 99% of users can't manage to use these non-alternatives for reasons like calendar and contacts not syncing, or they already don't use the product like RSS, or they definitely won't be able to run their own…

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Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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"Unfortunately, there are no good alternatives to some Google properties. Maps...." For maps, depending on your uses, bing mapquest's map and geocoding APIs can be replacements, and sometimes cheaper.

I think the obvious alternative would be Open Street Maps. Microsoft is no better than Google in these regards, they're just not the current market leader.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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post #40

You have to be biting your tongue awfully hard to shoot off "Google is, in other words, the new AOL." He admits all of the services are not complete alternatives, save for maybe RSS readers. In other words, either 99% of users can't manage to use these non-alternatives for reasons like calendar and contacts not syncing, or they already don't use the product like RSS, or they definitely won't be able to run their own…

No one has enough interest to simply leave a pretty compelling ecosystem, so you have to couch it in a way to makes it sound like an ethical imperative. You know, for blog views.

That's probably partially true, but that's not really true on HN. Every thread on "Google shutters product X" has at least one person asking for alternatives to gmail et al.

I almost wish we could pin a story like this just to cut some of those comments.

There are days when there will be multiple stories on the front page at the same time with comments asking, "what are the alternatives to gmail?" with the inevitable, "well, fastmail is a good choice" and then someone will bring up running your own server, and then someone else will respond about spam and blacklisting and downtime, and someone else will say something about they've been doing it for 5 years and it's not that hard, etc etc etc

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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Are there any good alternatives to Google Calendar? If not, seems like there may be a gap in the market for a next generation calendar service, as the core of Google Calendar has been the same for a while, I'm sure there must be some innovation available there.

The best replacement I found was to host my own instance of Kolab 3[1] which was a pain to setup, but seems to work pretty well and looks nice. I couldn't find any good hosted solutions though.

[1] http://kolab.org/

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

#47

I've been using GMail since its inception, so I figured I'd try the authors first suggestion, FastMail to see how the competition was fairing. The article mentions that FastMail operates both "free and paid tiers of service", so I figured I'd make a free account and poke around. But I've clicked and searched for five minutes now and found nothing except paid plans with a free trial. Am I missing something? Also, the…

There used to be a free tier, which was my first use of fastmail. At some point, possibly the Opera acquisition, the free tier went away.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The $40/year account gives you 10gb of storage. It's comparable with Google Apps, and really $40/year is a totally fair price for something as important as email.

"and really $40/year is a totally fair price for something as important as email." It isn't about importance, it is about a comparison with its competitors. Drinking water is pretty important, but why pay for $5 worth of bottled water a day when I can pay 5¢ a day for water straight from the tap?

It's about paying for services you use so the businesses that provide those services can have a sustainable business model.

I'm not a crazy person who hates ads in gmail (see http://www.maxmasnick.com/2012/02/12/gmail_paranoia/), but I do believe in paying for things so that the incentives for a company align with what's best for me as a user.

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

#49
All I know is that I sleep a lot better that I have two-factor authentication turned on for gmail. I would leave gmail quickly if a good alternative had that. Looking at the OP's recommendation of fastmail.fm, it seems to have multi-factor authentication:

https://www.fastmail.fm/help/login_yubikey.html

It appears to depend on a physical key that I'll have to carry around with me. Gmail's MFA relies on an app on my iPhone which is far more convenient and they have a backup way of getting into the account with a hand-typed key that is very long.

Why is good web-based email MFA so hard to implement and why has Google been the only one to perfect it?

Re: Leaving Google’s silo: Alternatives to Gmail, Talk, Calendar, and more

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post #6

Zoho provides good email, calendar, and many of additional apps for business such as CRM, invoices, etc. My teammates chose Zoho for a company-wide 500-person setup with email, calendar, wiki, project, etc. and are very pleased with it.

I've used their docs for years.. but found them buggy. For example bigger documents formatting would just start acting in a weird way (where i just couldn't set the text size correctly anymore).. copy/paste wasn't consistent.. wasn't crazy how regular browser shortcuts were overridden .. mobile app was locking.. i do command them for coming out with a great free product ahead of the the competition, but it does feel like Google leapfrogged them as far as UX and multi-platform support.
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