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Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by eclipxe »

benbeltran wrote: post #100
Caskman wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they alienate gamers? Gamers know first and foremost that XBox is a gaming console. They should especially know that after being shown the demo of CoD Ghost. This really is a great move for them, as gamers see the benefit of additional functionality and non-gamers see an intriguing entertainment platform. I'm a diehard PC fan though so I probably won't get a console anyways

The event's games presentations were oriented to what is usually called the "Bro gamer" demographic (e.g. Madden/FIFA/CoD) ... It focused on TV, for which many of the core gamers don't care. Contrast this to the PS4 announcement, which had many developers and a lot of talk about how the platform is going to be more "open" for the small guys, and it felt really passionate about the "for-gamers" features. As a gamer, I…

"what is usually called the 'bro gamer' demographic"?

Just because I like Madden, I'm a "bro gamer" now? Get over yourself.

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by gcr »

zanny wrote: post #92
Legion wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least on the Xbox side, it has a lot to do with their systematic dismantlement of the machine's GUI, which was originally a joy to use, and geared towards being, you know, a game playing machine. Now it's like webTV for the 2010s. I used to rave about the old Blades interface and how, OMG, Microsoft made a great user experience, and how weird it was for me to feel so strongly positive about a Microsoft consumer pr…

I am concerned though about the lack of any new info on the steambox in the last, what, year? They announced their intention to create a Linux distro with Steam to run on hardware to a spec, but they haven't moved forward with it at all. I think Valve would crush the console scene if they actually had anything to show for the hype.

But they have moved forward. Portal, Half-Life 2, and (I think) Left 4 dead 2 all now work under Linux as of a few weeks ago. That's quite an achievement.

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by nightski »

sreyaNotfilc wrote: post #102
Irregardless wrote: post #62

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Why? They just alienated gamers while showing non-gamers that they've been overpaying for a glorified Netflix machine. I've been a diehard Xbox fan since I first got my hands on the original, but this makes me want to switch back to Playstation.

The way I see it is that every new gaming console is going to do gaming better than the generation before it. Shouldn't that be a given? Microsoft's job, as far as the Xbox, is the following... 1) Go lobby for components from various manufactures to meet the next-gen specs (whatever that may be) 2) Create tools and APIs for developers to understand the platform for which they are building 3) Improve existing services…

It is not really a given at all. What matters are the games, not the technology behind the console. Showing off a new COD and Madden is pretty sigh worthy at best.

My limited circle of friends who game have moved back to PC gaming and given up on consoles. We all own them, but they became glorified Netflix boxes. That was until MS decided to charge $59.99 a year for Xbox Live. Then we all bought Roku devices instead.

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by grogenaut »

wwwarhawk wrote: post #119
georgemcbay wrote: post #14

As someone actually interested in playing games (and I know that may make me a minority here), this was the best commercial there will likely ever be for the Sony PlayStation 4.

Uh, yeah, because Sony not even showing the console itself at their announcement is better, right? Wait till E3.

I really only care about 2 things from a console box itself: - will it fit in my cabinet (annoying peripherals included) - does it have a loud fan or flashy lights that are annoying

Other than that I never look at the thing except to put a disc in. Who cares what the box looks like. You're going to be looking at your TV SCREEN the whole time.

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by macspoofing »

Legion wrote: post #87
simonsarris wrote: post #8

Most people I know who own a PS3 consider it essentially a blu-ray player. Most people I know who own an Xbox consider it essentially a Netflix player. These people bought games, but they don't really play them. I've got naught but my anecdata, but I think attempting to bill this new console as an entertainment system that happens to also play some great games is a very, very good idea.

At least on the Xbox side, it has a lot to do with their systematic dismantlement of the machine's GUI, which was originally a joy to use, and geared towards being, you know, a game playing machine. Now it's like webTV for the 2010s. I used to rave about the old Blades interface and how, OMG, Microsoft made a great user experience, and how weird it was for me to feel so strongly positive about a Microsoft consumer pr…

To each his own I suppose, but to me the old Blades interface was atrocious. I like the current UI, though the organization could be a little smarter (e.g. frequently used apps should be more accessible)

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by RobAtticus »

psbp wrote: post #43
FreeBird wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mention...

This was good satire in 2000. 13 years later, not owning a t.v. is not the same as being unable to watch traditionally broadcasted shows.

The main point was more about how somebody who doesn't watch TV will always let you know that they don't. Not really the reasons why. I think in that case, the satire is still relevant. Plenty of people on reddit/HN/the Internet almost bragging about how they don't use a traditional TV setup.

Basically like the old joke "How can you tell if someone is an atheist? Don't worry, he'll tell you."

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by conover »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #90

Will the Xbox continue to be the "America-box?" A huge amount of this conference focused on services that are irrelevant to those outside the US (even irrelevant to Canadians). This all looks great if you have a stellar cable package and live in the USA where you get ESPN, but what about everyone else?

The answer is definitely "no" if they are embarking on a somewhat exclusive partnership with EA. Because EA has FIFA. And FIFA has sold 14.5 million copies mostly outside the US.

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by cobrausn »

benbeltran wrote: post #100
Caskman wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they alienate gamers? Gamers know first and foremost that XBox is a gaming console. They should especially know that after being shown the demo of CoD Ghost. This really is a great move for them, as gamers see the benefit of additional functionality and non-gamers see an intriguing entertainment platform. I'm a diehard PC fan though so I probably won't get a console anyways

The event's games presentations were oriented to what is usually called the "Bro gamer" demographic (e.g. Madden/FIFA/CoD) ... It focused on TV, for which many of the core gamers don't care. Contrast this to the PS4 announcement, which had many developers and a lot of talk about how the platform is going to be more "open" for the small guys, and it felt really passionate about the "for-gamers" features. As a gamer, I…

E3 is in three weeks. They didn't want this event to focus on games, because then they'd have nothing to show at E3. But they still showed some games just to prove it had working hardware.

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by cobrausn »

eclipxe wrote: post #121
benbeltran wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The event's games presentations were oriented to what is usually called the "Bro gamer" demographic (e.g. Madden/FIFA/CoD) ... It focused on TV, for which many of the core gamers don't care. Contrast this to the PS4 announcement, which had many developers and a lot of talk about how the platform is going to be more "open" for the small guys, and it felt really passionate about the "for-gamers" features. As a gamer, I…

"what is usually called the 'bro gamer' demographic"? Just because I like Madden, I'm a "bro gamer" now? Get over yourself.

'bro gamer' is just a term used by some gamers to feel superior to the CoD demographic (which is everybody). It seems to me to be a kind of signaling used to mark themselves out as 'serious' gamers who think about 'serious' issues while they blow stuff up and shoot zombies.

Re: Xbox One: Microsoft's All-In-One Home Entertainment System

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Post by benbeltran »

eclipxe wrote: post #121
benbeltran wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The event's games presentations were oriented to what is usually called the "Bro gamer" demographic (e.g. Madden/FIFA/CoD) ... It focused on TV, for which many of the core gamers don't care. Contrast this to the PS4 announcement, which had many developers and a lot of talk about how the platform is going to be more "open" for the small guys, and it felt really passionate about the "for-gamers" features. As a gamer, I…

"what is usually called the 'bro gamer' demographic"? Just because I like Madden, I'm a "bro gamer" now? Get over yourself.

Chill out dude. I didn't say you were a bro gamer, I didn't say I agreed with the term. I tried to answer Caskain's question on "how did they alienate gamers", and yes, part of it is the sentiment of catering to bro gamers. But notice the usage of quotes. Follow your own advice.
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