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Re: Hacker News is depressing

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return0 wrote: post #97
FreeBird wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's nothing. Check these comments, anywhere else you would get summarily fired for emails like this. http://www.muktware.com/5276/linus-torvalds-secure-boot-supp... "Guys, this is not a dick-sucking contest. If you want to parse PE binaries, go right ahead. If Red Hat wants to deep-throat Microsoft, that's your issue..." What if that email was to a female kernel dev? What if a whizkid reads the kernel dev mailing…

You 're implying that women don't swear?

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Re: Hacker News is depressing

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Post by icarus_drowning »

danilocampos wrote: post #88

As a top-voted dissenting opinion on Dave's piece yesterday, I find myself compelled to chime in. > I honestly don't care what the HN trolls, and the people who upvote them, supposedly "think" about me. If that's true, why 750 words on the subject? The issue I take with Dave Winer is that he seems to feel as though his accomplishments or contributions somehow elevate his words beyond criticism. I will say again what…

The issue I take with Dave Winer is that he seems to feel as though his accomplishments or contributions somehow elevate his words beyond criticism.

This is exactly why Dave Winer wrote this post.

The thing is, he probably has a point in criticizing the community. But he has a longstanding inability to respond to criticism properly, to the point where he just insults and name-calls people who disagree with him.

This is why he wants a twitter like "block" from HN. Because he'd rather block HN and the people who take issue with his ideas than actually have an argument.

[UPDATED: fixed poor wording]

Re: Hacker News is depressing

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Post by brudgers »

danilocampos wrote: post #188
brudgers wrote: post #127

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You don't hold Winer in high regard. That fact is not very interesting. Paul Graham's opinion doesn't change that. Fascinating is not communicative. Being unrepentant doesn't make you unique either. Share your snowflake. Doing so is what makes Winer's blog interesting. Laziness, impatience and hubris - he's like any other programmer, only more so.

Paul Graham's opinion matters inasmuch as Winer is appealing to Graham's authority to insulate him from criticism that makes him uncomfortable.

I didn't say Paul Graham's opinion didn't matter. I said that congruence between it and yours would not make yours more interesting.

Re: Hacker News is depressing

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Post by jimmyjazz14 »

VLM wrote: post #102
jimmyjazz14 wrote: post #14

I don't know about depressing but the amount of drama on HN seems on the rise lately and I don't find it all that entertaining or interesting. I guess this old tune is played out but, I remember a time when things where better.

"the amount of drama on HN" Is it homogenous and if not, is it still a problem? My very quick glance at the situation looks like someone's not too happy about getting savaged because he positions himself as a lightning rod in the past and was writing about a fluffy social topic relating to a fluffy social issue in a fluffy social arena. The whole steaming pile does not sound like HN-type material. OK, I don't particu…

Yeah, I certainly don't think all hope is lost there is plenty of good stuff still showing up on HN which is why I still come here but, there is a somewhat noticeable trend towards the dramatic happening lately.

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Post by itsybitsycoder »

orokusaki wrote: post #182
thenomad wrote: post #172

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Really? So if a person decides to post a picture of themselves on their blog, they're consenting to having that picture photomanipulated onto hardcore pornography then emailed to their family and co-workers, for example?

Exactly. Otherwise, include a license with your work, state that it is copyrighted, and still expect people to say whatever they want about you or it... Or, put it on your own private network, known as Not-The-Internet.

The 1886 Berne Convention first established recognition of copyrights among sovereign nations, rather than merely bilaterally. Under the Berne Convention, copyrights for creative works do not have to be asserted or declared, as they are automatically in force at creation: an author need not "register" or "apply for" a copyright in countries adhering to the Berne Convention.[10] As soon as a work is "fixed", that is, written or recorded on some physical medium, its author is automatically entitled to all copyrights in the work, and to any derivative works unless and until the author explicitly disclaims them, or until the copyright expires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

Re: Hacker News is depressing

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Post by rockmeamedee »

danilocampos wrote: post #88

As a top-voted dissenting opinion on Dave's piece yesterday, I find myself compelled to chime in. > I honestly don't care what the HN trolls, and the people who upvote them, supposedly "think" about me. If that's true, why 750 words on the subject? The issue I take with Dave Winer is that he seems to feel as though his accomplishments or contributions somehow elevate his words beyond criticism. I will say again what…

I'm another guy on the internet, and I just want to tell you, you don't have to be mean to people on the internet. You don't have to write nice things to everybody, but mean things just suck. Writing mean things just makes the world more mean. I'd rather not read mean things, and I'm sure you'd rather not write mean things. There's too little time in life for that.

How do you think Dave's going to take this post? He writes that HN is full of people just attacking him. > The issue I take with Dave Winer is that he seems to feel as though his accomplishments or contributions somehow elevate his words beyond criticism. Bam, right in the nuts. Fuck you, and fuck your accomplishments.

I'm sorry if my post sounds mean, I really want you to have the happiest possible life and a great time here. But if his post is terrible, you don't have to pollute your head with it and pollute my head by writing mean things about it.

I don't come here to read wishy washy "great job dude!" posts, but I don't come here to gossip about how people think they've got a "permanent apotheosis" or whatever. He's just a dude on the internet, you're just a dude on the internet. Be nice to each other. Life is too short to do otherwise.

Best of luck!

Re: Hacker News is depressing

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Post by danilocampos »

rockmeamedee wrote: post #227
danilocampos wrote: post #88

As a top-voted dissenting opinion on Dave's piece yesterday, I find myself compelled to chime in. > I honestly don't care what the HN trolls, and the people who upvote them, supposedly "think" about me. If that's true, why 750 words on the subject? The issue I take with Dave Winer is that he seems to feel as though his accomplishments or contributions somehow elevate his words beyond criticism. I will say again what…

I'm another guy on the internet, and I just want to tell you, you don't have to be mean to people on the internet. You don't have to write nice things to everybody, but mean things just suck. Writing mean things just makes the world more mean. I'd rather not read mean things, and I'm sure you'd rather not write mean things. There's too little time in life for that. How do you think Dave's going to take this post? He…

Do you think he was nice to Marissa Mayer in his post?

Re: Hacker News is depressing

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Post by B-Con »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #51

I do not read the comments on HN of the pieces I write. I used to. I used to love hearing really smart people help out with whatever was puzzling me. Perhaps I can get back to that. But damn, this is a negative bunch. Whatever topic, whatever opinion you have, it's somebody's hot-button issue and somebody else doesn't understand what the fuck you are saying. Sometimes this is the same person. Most times this is dozen…

> and somebody else doesn't understand what the fuck you are saying

It seems that this community borderline prides itself in being so concerned with edge cases and minutia that they have no clue at all what people mean. There is no desire to see if there is truth behind the curtains, no desire to "auto-correct" a slip of the tongue. If one sentence can be attacked, it will be. If one detail is out of place, that's grounds for dismissing everything else.

Re: Hacker News is depressing

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Post by danilocampos »

brudgers wrote: post #223
danilocampos wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paul Graham's opinion matters inasmuch as Winer is appealing to Graham's authority to insulate him from criticism that makes him uncomfortable.

I didn't say Paul Graham's opinion didn't matter. I said that congruence between it and yours would not make yours more interesting.

Why should being interesting be a primary goal?
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