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NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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Re: NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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Sweet, but ending hunger is incompatible with profit, and this will therefore die a sad little death as it gets legislated into oblivion, if it gets anywhere near gaining traction (which it won't, you just know Monsanto and friends will run a massive PR campaign about how synthesised food is terrorism, GMO is freedom, etc.).

  "ending hunger is incompatible with profit"
Really? I wouldn't think so.

You don't just "end" something and walk away. You still need to maintain and service the issue. There is profit in that.

Re: NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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I wonder whether the economy involved in manufacturing these cartridges, and the printers themselves, wouldn't all but guarantee this costs more than the worlds' poor could ever afford. The article suggests they could buy the cartridges at a local store ... this assumes, first, the existence of a 'local grocery store' and, second, that they have enough money to buy the carts (and, of course, the 0th assumption that there are enough carts to stock the shelves with.)

If they could do that then, presumably, they could already afford whatever else was in the store to begin with, and it would end up being cheaper for the poor who can afford them to just boil the food carts up into soup. I guarantee a synthetic food cartridge is not going to be cheaper than, say, a sack of flour or rice and beans or what have you. And if you're requiring a crowd of people to queue up at the public replicator for their three square meals a day, you've got a recipe for political disaster on your hands.

Now you could couple this with some kind of government sponsored food program, so it's "free" I suppose, But what about regions without any real infrastructure, or stable governance, or even hostile governments?

I'm not dismissing the idea of the printer per se, but I don't see how it solves world hunger. If NASA wants to revolutionize the quality of life in poverty-stricken areas of the world, they should focus on improving global sanitation, water quality, waste disposal, etc.

Re: NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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I feel like hunger is much more likely to be solved with innovative economic thinking than with innovative engineering. We should be able to grow enough food for everyone as it is. That's not really the issue. The issue is getting the economics worked out so that we do grow enough food, and so that we can distribute it to everyone who needs it without breaking all of the economies.

Yes, this! People keep trying to solve a problem they don't understand, that doesn't really exist. We have enough food in the World to feed our population. Countries like North Korea, Somalia, Ethiopia, Congo have starvation problems not from a lack of food in this World but from monsters running their government that won't allow their people the freedom to live their lives. In spite of a growing population, farm lan…

Politics aside, there's an appalling amount of food waste in developed countries. It's certainly not as simple as "send all the not-pretty produce to Africa" or "ship all the no-longer-perfectly-fresh bread to North Korea," but there is a huge potential target for reducing what we throw away and getting it to people who need it.

The major problem, of course, is interfering with people's lifestyles, if only in marginal ways... we as first-world countries just don't handle having our convenience messed with very well.

Re: NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this! People keep trying to solve a problem they don't understand, that doesn't really exist. We have enough food in the World to feed our population. Countries like North Korea, Somalia, Ethiopia, Congo have starvation problems not from a lack of food in this World but from monsters running their government that won't allow their people the freedom to live their lives. In spite of a growing population, farm lan…

Politics aside, there's an appalling amount of food waste in developed countries. It's certainly not as simple as "send all the not-pretty produce to Africa" or "ship all the no-longer-perfectly-fresh bread to North Korea," but there is a huge potential target for reducing what we throw away and getting it to people who need it. The major problem, of course, is interfering with people's lifestyles, if only in margina…

there is a huge potential target for reducing what we throw away

Yes

and getting it to people who need it.

Not so sure about this one. Fostering dependence and quite simply the costs of airlifting tons of produce and bread to North Korea on the regular come to mind.

Re: NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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That looks like a perfect match for this guy's idea for efficient nutrient production, presented at Google's Solve For X: https://www.solveforx.com/moonshots/efficient-nutrition-prod...

He thinks he can provide the protein requirements of the world's population from an area the size of Rhode Island, cheaper and healthier than agriculture.

Re: NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this! People keep trying to solve a problem they don't understand, that doesn't really exist. We have enough food in the World to feed our population. Countries like North Korea, Somalia, Ethiopia, Congo have starvation problems not from a lack of food in this World but from monsters running their government that won't allow their people the freedom to live their lives. In spite of a growing population, farm lan…

Politics aside, there's an appalling amount of food waste in developed countries. It's certainly not as simple as "send all the not-pretty produce to Africa" or "ship all the no-longer-perfectly-fresh bread to North Korea," but there is a huge potential target for reducing what we throw away and getting it to people who need it. The major problem, of course, is interfering with people's lifestyles, if only in margina…

If we reduce the food waste it will only mean reduced food production, those in need would not get any of the former waste production.

Re: NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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As others have pointed out, this probably won't be all that useful in solving the worlds hunger problems.

I'd think the actual motivation for this (and especially for NASA to be involved) is having a durable, easy to transport yet not completely monotonous supply of food for long space flights.

This is probably rather long term thinking, so "solving world hunger" is the typical feel good, not completely untrue yet slightly bullshit line you'd use to sell this as a good investment to the more short sighted "why are we spending money on X if there is still hunger/poverty/illness" crowd.

Re: NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

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I'd like to see a 3-d printed compost-able seed planter that holds the exact seed, the exact depth, printed with spacing (or attached to a string?) with printed fertilizer and all that. Shove this stake into the ground for a perfect "whatever" planting environment.

Doesn't help with floods / droughts / windstorms / frosts but at least it would remove some planting variables.

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