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Make $30 an hour, no bachelor's degree required

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Re: Make $30 an hour, no bachelor's degree required

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Sounds a lot like my situation, except I didn't drop out, I finished out the associates degree so I could take the few programming classes I wanted. It took my two years, I got a little bit of college under my belt, got a job before I finished, and was only 18 when I graduated. I think experience and skill level speak higher than a degree in this field. I have hired people that don't have a degree, because they have…

I don't have a degree (I dropped out of college) and I make more than that. I'm good at what I do; its not easy, and its obscure.

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A lot of people ask my why I never got a degree. As a .net web developer I don't wan't so spend 4 years part time (no money for fulltime) studying java, because that's what you mostly learn in our country.

Edit: I maybe should add theres nothing wrong with java. It's just not my choice that's all. And in my country (switzerland) the education system looks little bit different. I started a education at age 16 as software a developer. 2 days school, 3 days work at a software company for four years. Now you add some years of experience and there you are with no degree.. and that's why I wrote my first statement

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Since then, he has worked for Percolate, Vimeo and other startups, and now, at age 25, he's earning more than six figures. Six figures is $100,000 - $999,999. More than six figures = $1,000,000+.

It's worded poorly, but it means he's making more than $100k.

Re: Make $30 an hour, no bachelor's degree required

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A lot of people ask my why I never got a degree. As a .net web developer I don't wan't so spend 4 years part time (no money for fulltime) studying java, because that's what you mostly learn in our country. Edit: I maybe should add theres nothing wrong with java. It's just not my choice that's all. And in my country (switzerland) the education system looks little bit different. I started a education at age 16 as softw…

Whats wrong with Java? I am focusing most of my time on it. Bad decision?

Re: Make $30 an hour, no bachelor's degree required

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This is not necessarily a good thing for the web development field. This is how you end up with people with large gaps in their knowledge responsible for parts of your codebase.

To be clear, it is entirely possible to be self-taught and learn everything you need to know. I'm self-taught, and I like to think I've filled in most of the gaps by now. I've also worked with a few self-taught people who make me feel like a novice.

However, I've also encountered numerous self-taught people, working in industry on real projects, who have gaps in their knowledge significant enough to cripple a company if left unsupervised. Things like not knowing what SQL injection is, not knowing what version control is, never having heard of unit tests, etc. College curricula in other fields generally make sure that you at least encounter every essential part of the field. Without that safety net, you have to do that research yourself, and many self-taught people don't take that extra step.

EDIT: Judging from the comments I need to clarify. I'm not saying that CS programs in college teach you these things. I'm saying that in other fields, your college curriculum will make sure you encounter everything you need to.

Re: Make $30 an hour, no bachelor's degree required

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post #15

A lot of people ask my why I never got a degree. As a .net web developer I don't wan't so spend 4 years part time (no money for fulltime) studying java, because that's what you mostly learn in our country. Edit: I maybe should add theres nothing wrong with java. It's just not my choice that's all. And in my country (switzerland) the education system looks little bit different. I started a education at age 16 as softw…

Whats wrong with Java? I am focusing most of my time on it. Bad decision?

Not really. It's actually kind of funny that a .NET programmer said that because Java and C# occupy many of the same niches, which is to say, heavy enterprise-y apps. But then that may be his point, that it would be redundant for him to learn a language so similar.

Java isn't a bad decision but I 100% believe you should try as many languages as possible, especially from different paradigms. Every language has something to like and most have something you can bring back to your primary language to be more productive.

Happy trails!

Re: Make $30 an hour, no bachelor's degree required

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post #15

A lot of people ask my why I never got a degree. As a .net web developer I don't wan't so spend 4 years part time (no money for fulltime) studying java, because that's what you mostly learn in our country. Edit: I maybe should add theres nothing wrong with java. It's just not my choice that's all. And in my country (switzerland) the education system looks little bit different. I started a education at age 16 as softw…

Whats wrong with Java? I am focusing most of my time on it. Bad decision?

there is absolutely nothing wrong with java. I just rather spend my time focusing on the technology I like more and I want to work with.

Re: Make $30 an hour, no bachelor's degree required

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A lot of people ask my why I never got a degree. As a .net web developer I don't wan't so spend 4 years part time (no money for fulltime) studying java, because that's what you mostly learn in our country. Edit: I maybe should add theres nothing wrong with java. It's just not my choice that's all. And in my country (switzerland) the education system looks little bit different. I started a education at age 16 as softw…

Whats wrong with Java? I am focusing most of my time on it. Bad decision?

You can do the same kind of project and get the same kind of job with .Net or Java. It really doesn't add much to your toolbox, although picking up one after you know the other doesn't take much time.

Re: Make $30 an hour, no bachelor's degree required

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A lot of people ask my why I never got a degree. As a .net web developer I don't wan't so spend 4 years part time (no money for fulltime) studying java, because that's what you mostly learn in our country. Edit: I maybe should add theres nothing wrong with java. It's just not my choice that's all. And in my country (switzerland) the education system looks little bit different. I started a education at age 16 as softw…

I see two sides of this. My degree is in applied math - the only comp sci I ever took was 101 - 102, plus one data structures course. I could do basic dev ops or web dev from now until the cows come home with 2 years in the industry. Computer Science was not a requirement at all.

On the flip side, I get frustrated by my lack of theoretical knowledge on things I deeply wish I knew. I've never taken an OS course, or a databases course. I don't feel like I know Big O as well as I should. I don't know ANYTHING about graphics. I don't know ANYTHING about AI work, or compilers, or anything beyond basic *nix sockets.

Right now I spend my days trying to do linear algebra in the cloud on demand. And I would be willing to bet a years worth of my paycheck that if I had doubled up in computer science I would be better at my job than I am right now.

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