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Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by reneky »

rbanffy wrote: post #15
Svip wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find the argument that 'if the other guys are jerks, then I too can be a jerk' to be an argument that makes me see anyone in a more favourable light. I thought Google wanted to avoid being Microsoft and Apple, with their unofficial motto, 'don't be evil'. I prefer it when someone showcases their willingness to be 'the nicer guy' by opening up while the others are closing down. Like allowing to export your GMa…

> I don't find the argument that 'if the other guys are jerks, then I too can be a jerk' to be an argument that makes me see anyone in a more favourable light. Why would Google want to invest resources on giving Microsoft an unfair advantage over themselves? Microsoft being jerks is the rule since that open letter Bill Gates sent to the Homebrew Computer Club. In other words, why would you invite a guest that is know…

> Why would Google want to invest resources on giving Microsoft an unfair advantage over themselves?

Because it's good for the users.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by comex »

pchander wrote: post #17
jamii wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Register your own domain and sign up for the free version of google apps. I have a gmail inbox for jamie@scattered-thoughts.net but if I need to change services I just move the MX record and upload my backups elsewhere.

The free version of google apps has been discontinued. New users can no longer sign up for it.

You can, however, get a similar effect by forwarding all your mail to your Gmail account and configuring it to send mail as your domain email address (including using your SMTP server if necessary).

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by wangii »

patrickaljord wrote: post #18
Svip wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't find the argument that 'if the other guys are jerks, then I too can be a jerk' to be an argument that makes me see anyone in a more favourable light. I thought Google wanted to avoid being Microsoft and Apple, with their unofficial motto, 'don't be evil'. I prefer it when someone showcases their willingness to be 'the nicer guy' by opening up while the others are closing down. Like allowing to export your GMa…

It's not about being jerks too, it's about being able to compete. They can't compete by giving away free stuff to competition when the competition refuses to do the same which gives the competition an unfair advantage (in this case, MS customers being able to use both gtalk and skype inside of outlook but Google customers being unable to run skype inside gmail, this makes people just want to use outlook as it provide…

there are two issues involve here. 1) business strategy, 2) being Mr. nice. if google's openness is a business strategy, then there is no excuse to point the finger to microsoft. if google is just a nice guy, why change b/c ms being a jerk? ok. i know folks are afraid of saying it, let me do it: Larry Page and Google are evil. Larry Page, in his best, will be an other John Sculley.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by mike-cardwell »

0x006A wrote: post #9
patrickaljord wrote: post #7

Google still support XMPP, it's just that it's not federated (edit: according to 0x006A, it still is so they may just be blocking Microsoft). It's been federated for years though but what was the effect of that? Has Microsoft made MSN messenger interoperable, have they done so with Skype? Have Yahoo? How about Facebook? Thing is, as Larry said, they support open messaging but why should they do so with companies that…

i keep reading that its not federated and yet i am still chatting with people on gmail via xmpp via my own xmpp server.

For now

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by gnoway »

This kind of looks like a fight Google was never going to win. They either continue doing what they were doing and allow MS to take competitive advantage of their openness, or they shut the door and MS wins again because Google is suddenly evil.

Maybe I am misunderstanding what happened here, but right now this looks like a perfect example of "see, this is why we can't have nice things," played out in the real world.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by nmjenkins »

fakeer wrote: post #6
Derbasti wrote: post #3

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I jumped a long time ago. But to this day, there is no web app comparable to GMail or GCal.

Looks like an open market without hardly a player other than Google and the elk. There's a market specially for paying customers.

Have you looked at fastmail.fm? We do paid email right. And we have a web interface that's faster, slicker and more powerful than GMail.

Disclaimer: I (obviously) work for FastMail. But still, you should check it out. :)

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by davexunit »

patrickaljord wrote: post #7

Google still support XMPP, it's just that it's not federated (edit: according to 0x006A, it still is so they may just be blocking Microsoft). It's been federated for years though but what was the effect of that? Has Microsoft made MSN messenger interoperable, have they done so with Skype? Have Yahoo? How about Facebook? Thing is, as Larry said, they support open messaging but why should they do so with companies that…

Will they only be blocking Microsoft, or will they shut off federation completely? I have an account on the FSF's XMPP server and I can talk to people on gtalk. If they are shutting off federation completely, then they are just making a walled garden for themselves and using the Microsoft situation as an excuse.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by hyperbovine »

wangii wrote: post #23
patrickaljord wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about being jerks too, it's about being able to compete. They can't compete by giving away free stuff to competition when the competition refuses to do the same which gives the competition an unfair advantage (in this case, MS customers being able to use both gtalk and skype inside of outlook but Google customers being unable to run skype inside gmail, this makes people just want to use outlook as it provide…

there are two issues involve here. 1) business strategy, 2) being Mr. nice. if google's openness is a business strategy, then there is no excuse to point the finger to microsoft. if google is just a nice guy, why change b/c ms being a jerk? ok. i know folks are afraid of saying it, let me do it: Larry Page and Google are evil. Larry Page, in his best, will be an other John Sculley.

You have led a charmed life if you believe this constitutes evil.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by udp »

comex wrote: post #22
pchander wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The free version of google apps has been discontinued. New users can no longer sign up for it.

You can, however, get a similar effect by forwarding all your mail to your Gmail account and configuring it to send mail as your domain email address (including using your SMTP server if necessary).

Definitely a wise move to use your own SMTP server, or you'll end up with "From: ___@gmail.com on behalf of ___@yourdomain.com"[1].

[1] http://gmailblog.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/send-mail-from-anoth...

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by cabirum »

pchander wrote: post #17
jamii wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Register your own domain and sign up for the free version of google apps. I have a gmail inbox for jamie@scattered-thoughts.net but if I need to change services I just move the MX record and upload my backups elsewhere.

The free version of google apps has been discontinued. New users can no longer sign up for it.

It has been hidden, but not discontinued. You can still create a trial Google Apps account, and then "downgrade" to free account with 10 user limit
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