Google drops XMPP support

Derbasti wrote: post #3

Nux wrote: post #2

Jump ship, guys! SMTP is next!

I jumped a long time ago. But to this day, there is no web app comparable to GMail or GCal.

Not that it matters, GMail has slowly become worse and worse, so I'll gladly settle for pine or mutt these days (or Thunderbird as a start). Google Calendar will likely be the only application I will miss.[1]

But Google is slowly giving me more and more reason to jump ship.

[1] Application I will miss that Google has not already killed (or is going to).

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by pjmlp » Tue, May 21, 2013, 9:18 AM UTC

Derbasti wrote: post #3

Nux wrote: post #2

Jump ship, guys! SMTP is next!

I jumped a long time ago. But to this day, there is no web app comparable to GMail or GCal.

Desktop...

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by fakeer » Tue, May 21, 2013, 9:41 AM UTC

Derbasti wrote: post #3

Nux wrote: post #2

Jump ship, guys! SMTP is next!

I jumped a long time ago. But to this day, there is no web app comparable to GMail or GCal.

Looks like an open market without hardly a player other than Google and the elk. There's a market specially for paying customers.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by patrickaljord » Tue, May 21, 2013, 9:46 AM UTC

Google still support XMPP, it's just that it's not federated (edit: according to 0x006A, it still is so they may just be blocking Microsoft). It's been federated for years though but what was the effect of that? Has Microsoft made MSN messenger interoperable, have they done so with Skype? Have Yahoo? How about Facebook?

Thing is, as Larry said, they support open messaging but why should they do so with companies that don't reciprocate? Last week, Microsoft decided to take advantage of gtalk federated XMPP to make it usable inside Outlook, this is awesome. However, did they make skype usable inside of gmail? No. So Microsoft is happy to use google's messaging federated openness but refuses to share their messaging with Google which gives Microsoft an unfair advantage. As Larry said, they support openness but not to the point of shooting themselves in the foot by giving Microsoft a commercial advantage by integrating gtalk in Outlook while there's no way for Google to do so with Microsoft's Skype.

I think this is pretty fair from Google to defend themselves. And it really takes nerves from Microsoft for complaining about someone blocking them on their messaging network when they have been the king of blocking messaging network with MSN and Skype. Come on.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by zmb_ » Tue, May 21, 2013, 9:48 AM UTC

Derbasti wrote: post #3

Nux wrote: post #2

Jump ship, guys! SMTP is next!

I jumped a long time ago. But to this day, there is no web app comparable to GMail or GCal.

When it comes to services like email, the quality of the user interface is really secondary. The primary concern is the ability to trust that I will remain accessible through the identifier (email address) that I've spread around to many people and places over the years.

Given Google's service shutdowns, dropped support for protocols, and the horror stories of seemingly accidental account closures with no recourse, I simply cannot trust Google with something as critical as my email.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by 0x006A » Tue, May 21, 2013, 9:48 AM UTC

patrickaljord wrote: post #7

Google still support XMPP, it's just that it's not federated (edit: according to 0x006A, it still is so they may just be blocking Microsoft). It's been federated for years though but what was the effect of that? Has Microsoft made MSN messenger interoperable, have they done so with Skype? Have Yahoo? How about Facebook? Thing is, as Larry said, they support open messaging but why should they do so with companies that…

i keep reading that its not federated and yet i am still chatting with people on gmail via xmpp via my own xmpp server.

Re: Google drops XMPP support

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Post by Nux » Tue, May 21, 2013, 10:04 AM UTC

patrickaljord wrote: post #7

Google still support XMPP, it's just that it's not federated (edit: according to 0x006A, it still is so they may just be blocking Microsoft). It's been federated for years though but what was the effect of that? Has Microsoft made MSN messenger interoperable, have they done so with Skype? Have Yahoo? How about Facebook? Thing is, as Larry said, they support open messaging but why should they do so with companies that…

It's not about Yahoo and other big players. The edge GTalk had was it was capable of talking to my server and to my friends' servers. Now that edge is gone, but it's really not needed any more, they have enough mass to not care.