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Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

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Re: Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

#61
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even assuming that 35k would be satisfying, that doesn't give you much headroom if something goes wrong.

Fun fact: 36% of Americans make less than $35k per year.

Oh yes, you can live on it. The question is if you can be satisfied with it.

Well, you can live on it assuming that unexpected issues do not arise, plunge you into medical debt and render you unable to receive the best care you might otherwise be able to afford. That can cut short your "living on 35k a year" plan... A sad story many of those 35k/year Americans can likely talk about.

Given the option of retiring now and living off of 35k/year for the rest of my life, or continuing to work for several more years, I am going to continue working.

Re: Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

#62
post #55

I'd feel more financially independent with a cast iron $5,000 of passive income per month than I would with $1,000,000 in the bank. Obviously the lump sum would probably be able to yield that sort of money in interest, but the interesting thing is that it should be much easier to secure the monthly passive income than it would the lump sum.

In today's market, $1M gets you ~$2000/month.

Well managed mutual funds / etfs yield 8 - 12% per year long term.

Re: Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

#63

5 million. Invested at a modest, low-risk 2% (which you used to be able to get from a standard savings account), that gives you $100,000/year: quite a decent baseline.

Standard savings accounts usually give 0.5-0.85% for the first 200k or so. More than that, you should look at other investment strategies than standard savings accounts.

Re: Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

#65
Ah, F-You money. A nice house in the Bay Area is going to be expensive - either in mortgage payments or the opportunity cost of having $1m+ capital tied up in a house. Plus property taxes. And really, $1m is that much, especially when you consider good school districts.

If you're willing to relocate someplace cheaper, the number is going to be a lot lower.

It's really very similar to retirement planning. A 5% withdrawal rate should be sufficient to preserve principal, so that's a good starting point for the necessary math.

Re: Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

#67
I would say this depends on what your aspirations are as a consumer and member of the economy (and apologies if this is a tangent, feel free to ignore).

The explicit assumption in the OP is that you achieve this freedom though some form of large payoff. But how about achieving this freedom through a ratio, rather than a lump sum.

For me, this is the ratio of how many days I need to work to earn a month's rent (currently 0.5 days for 1 months rent). This figure embodies both my earning power, and how much I need the money.

I could become 'freer' (from work) by downgrading my living standards, or I could find a way to earn more per day. But, importantly, working more will not change this ratio.

Of course, if learning to fly an airplane is your thing, then you could substitute rent for flying lessons.

Re: Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

#69
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In today's market, $1M gets you ~$2000/month.

Well managed mutual funds / etfs yield 8 - 12% per year long term.

A 5% withdrawal rate is a lot more comfortable, as it allows for some capital appreciation to handle inflation, and gives you more runway to weather market downturns. A quote about the efficient market hypothesis is relevant here - markets may be rational in the long term, but they can remane irrational longer than you can remain solvent.

Re: Poll: What number would make you say "I am financially independent"?

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In today's market, $1M gets you ~$2000/month.

Well managed mutual funds / etfs yield 8 - 12% per year long term.

They don't. They yield that in good years, and negative that in bad years. I worked at a fund that managed $2bn with no leverage, and our limited partners were extatic that we were able to get 15% net of fees in 2008.

The long term 7% average often quoted isn't if you average the last 15 years rather than the last 150.

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