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Re: Show HN: See what the best startups in the world are using

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Post by ankitml »

capex wrote: post #41
sspiff wrote: post #36

I'm sorry, but can we stop calling these startups? Companies like Twitter, eBay, GitHub, Mozilla, Netflix and Atlassian are past the startup stage by now. Many of them have been market leaders for years. Calling Intuit a startup isn't even stretching it anymore. They're 30 years old and have a revenue of over $4B. I realize HN thinks startups are sexy, but these have no business being labeled startups. If Intuit is a…

these companies may not be startups, but they provide a useful info: what large tech companies are paying for.

the title is still misleading.

Re: Show HN: See what the best startups in the world are using

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Post by detst »

sspiff wrote: post #36

I'm sorry, but can we stop calling these startups? Companies like Twitter, eBay, GitHub, Mozilla, Netflix and Atlassian are past the startup stage by now. Many of them have been market leaders for years. Calling Intuit a startup isn't even stretching it anymore. They're 30 years old and have a revenue of over $4B. I realize HN thinks startups are sexy, but these have no business being labeled startups. If Intuit is a…

[Meta-comment warning]

This comment is in the same category as the one PG talks about here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4693920

I don't want to pick on you because there might be a place for your comment but it's not at the top; we need to stop voting these to that position (I'm not encouraging down-votes).

Re: Show HN: See what the best startups in the world are using

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Post by Amygaz »

sspiff wrote: post #43
capex wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these companies may not be startups, but they provide a useful info: what large tech companies are paying for.

I'm not disputing that this information may be useful. I'm just saying it's poorly labeled to look more attractive to certain types of visitors. Replacing "startups" in the title with "(technology) companies" would be more accurate, but probably reduce traffic.

Another proof of the disconnect.

Re: Show HN: See what the best startups in the world are using

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Post by sliverstorm »

detst wrote: post #53
sspiff wrote: post #36

I'm sorry, but can we stop calling these startups? Companies like Twitter, eBay, GitHub, Mozilla, Netflix and Atlassian are past the startup stage by now. Many of them have been market leaders for years. Calling Intuit a startup isn't even stretching it anymore. They're 30 years old and have a revenue of over $4B. I realize HN thinks startups are sexy, but these have no business being labeled startups. If Intuit is a…

[Meta-comment warning] This comment is in the same category as the one PG talks about here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4693920 I don't want to pick on you because there might be a place for your comment but it's not at the top; we need to stop voting these to that position (I'm not encouraging down-votes).

Firstly, sspiff isn't dismissing the article. sspiff is making a meta-comment about the article's choices in presenting itself.

Secondly, if it shouldn't be at the top, what should be? I think you are looking at spiff's comment in a vacuum and saying, "This is not platinum-quality comment material!". But there isn't any platinum-quality comment in this page of comments yet. You can't upvote the rightful comment to the top if it doesn't exist yet.

Re: Show HN: See what the best startups in the world are using

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Post by mgkimsal »

sspiff wrote: post #36

I'm sorry, but can we stop calling these startups? Companies like Twitter, eBay, GitHub, Mozilla, Netflix and Atlassian are past the startup stage by now. Many of them have been market leaders for years. Calling Intuit a startup isn't even stretching it anymore. They're 30 years old and have a revenue of over $4B. I realize HN thinks startups are sexy, but these have no business being labeled startups. If Intuit is a…

I realize HN thinks startups are sexy, but these have no business being labeled startups. If Intuit is a startup, what does it take to be a called a mature company?

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2 decades after the IPO should be the cutoff point. After that, you're "mature"; before that, you're still considered a 'scrappy startup' which might fold at any moment without the day to day pivoting of the charismatic founders in their garage. ;)

Re: Show HN: See what the best startups in the world are using

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Post by PommeDeTerre »

rachelbythebay wrote: post #54

Good people can make amazing stuff happen with any stack.

But that's only part of the picture. It's also important to consider how much effort they need to expend to do so, and how many resources are consumed in the process.

Truly good developers will know to discard poor tools in favor of better ones, and will be eager to do so. They don't have emotional attachments to, say, Ruby on Rails or MongoDB, or some other piece of software or service. Once the tool becomes insufficient, it's gone. In many cases, this is obvious right away, so the tool isn't even used in the first place.

Re: Show HN: See what the best startups in the world are using

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Post by detst »

sliverstorm wrote: post #57
detst wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Meta-comment warning] This comment is in the same category as the one PG talks about here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4693920 I don't want to pick on you because there might be a place for your comment but it's not at the top; we need to stop voting these to that position (I'm not encouraging down-votes).

Firstly, sspiff isn't dismissing the article. sspiff is making a meta-comment about the article's choices in presenting itself. Secondly, if it shouldn't be at the top, what should be? I think you are looking at spiff's comment in a vacuum and saying, "This is not platinum-quality comment material!". But there isn't any platinum-quality comment in this page of comments yet. You can't upvote the rightful comment to th…

I'll concede that this wasn't the best place to make the point (I'll make it again, along with others, including PG). Perhaps I did look at spiff's comment in a vacuum and took advantage of this post being near the top of HN, but this is something that bothers me and clearly does PG, too. Yes, there are not any "platinum-quality comments" but let's remember that this is a recurring problem and that I'm not trying to pick on sspiff.

While it is not outright dismissal, it is dismissive in nature, and again, my primary issue is with voting, not necessarily the comment. I think we could still ask, quoting PG, "Yeah, we know that [Intuit isn't a startup]. But is that the most interesting thing one can say about this article?"

[and now it's getting down-votes after your comment despite PG making it clear time and time again that this is a major problem for HN]

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