Creepers have been creeping for years and years and years. They peer through curtains; they make spyholes in cubicle walls, and with digital cameras they hide cameras in ceilings and books and showers and shoes. Voyeuristic porn is a category. Upskirt is word popular enough to have an understood meaning. I'm a bloke. I'm not worried by those creepers. But I am uneasy about some users of Google Glass. I'd be really un…
At Google Conference, Cameras Even in the Bathroom
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#142>There they were, a handful of people wearing Google Glass, now standing next to me at their own urinals, peering their head from side to side, blinking or winking, as they relieved themselves. I wasn't there so I have to take his word for it, but... I really doubt that. Blinking, of course. People blink. But why, I cannot fathom, would everyone at a urinal be peering side to side and taking pictures of other people…
Either there really is a huge section of people who have been waiting to do this more discretely all along, or the writer was taking liberties by highlighting his fears. You can never really be sure whether the person next to you is a pervert, but when he pulls out a phone and takes a picture of your dick you can get a pretty good guess.
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#143The scary part of Glass-like devices taken to their logical conclusion for me isn't the little individual invasions of privacy (though those are also unfortunate), but the massive amount of real-time, real-world information collected in the aggregate.
If Glass-like devices are ever mainstream and controlled by one entity they create the easy possibility for an information mesh network that makes the one shown in "The Dark Knight" look absolutely quaint in comparison. Ubiquitous video + audio + advanced feature detection destroys personal privacy when in public basically across the board, even if you yourself are not a participant.
eg:
EvilOverlord: "Glass-MCP-10k, where is George McBay?"
Glass-MCP-10k: "Scanning... Subject George McBay last seen entering residential building 10.5 seconds ago at 32.925924,-117.227812. Data based on facial recognition match with 96.75% confidence. 5 Gargoyles report seeing him within 1 mile radius of this location within the last 10 minutes."
I see the massive benefits of Glass-like-devices but I am also terribly concerned about the possible privacy implications. The potential for abuses could be staggering and given that I think it is a good idea to actually discuss the potential for problems and not just assume everything will be okay because the tech is "neat" (yes, it is!, but...).
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#144I am just confused as to why taking off your Glass will not be similar to other common social bathroom courtesies like putting away your cell phone, or utilizing family bathrooms, etc. Once a stigma is in place at the social level, it will work itself out. If not, there is always the direct approach of just asking someone to put it away.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you take off your normal glasses while using the bathroom?
Do normal glasses have a camera attached? Bathrooms are a place of privacy.
If you're talking about prescription lenses, the answer to your question is yes. Glass is designed to be modular, and Glass is intended to accommodate those who wear conventional glasses for vision correction, giving them the option to use glass with their prescription lenses.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think I've adequately described the situation I'm referring to and the reason I feel violence is justified in that situation. Somehow you're ignoring all that. If you're in a bathroom, you're inherently close quarters, there's generally only one exit, there is an implied expectation of privacy, and witnesses are not plentiful. It's pretty obvious when looking has potential to turn to touching. That line exists righ…
I feel like I was pretty honest in my last paragraph: My sense is that the sort of fear of sexual assault that you're describing is something women I know experience fairly often in public, fully clothed, with witnesses. (And their fear is reasonable, since sexual assault occurs in those same circumstances.) Their reactions vary, but never is preemptive violence on the table, for obvious reasons. Personally, I wouldn…
I would urge everyone to reserve violence until it is absolutely necessary in your mind to prevent injury to yourself. But if it is necessary, I wouldn't blame anyone for it. Naked, vulnerable, cornered, and threatened has potential to bring out violence in anyone. It's basic fight or flight, except the flight option is taken out. I wouldn't punch someone on the train for staring at my clothed body and merely making me feel uncomfortable. I would punch someone on the train for staring at me and breathing heavily while keeping me from walking away.
Feeling uncomfortable isn't the line I'm trying to draw, feeling trapped and threatened is.
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#148My concern is people like myself who wear prescription eye glasses who may want to try Google Glass so end up putting the device on prescription glasses. It's one thing to remove your Google Glass glasses to be polite or legal i.e. washroom, locker room, driving a vehicle but for me that wouldn't be an option. Also, I wonder if I could make a pair of infrared LEDs put them on my person somewhere to emit an interferen…
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Pervasive surveillance has already caused shifts in behavior that wouldn't exist without them. But all of those things existed even before the means to record them. People would fight. Women would be spied on. Children would be bullied. But taking pictures of people in a bathroom is not something that was common or accepted before, apparently, yesterday. We've had the means to record the bathrooms for quite a long t…
I think the worry is that once the cameras become commonplace, it'll make the barrier that much lower. Once the barrier is lowered, more people will feel like there is little harm in crossing it.
What I mean is.. if societal norms change such that, say, nude photos are no longer considered important - because everyone has nude photos online, after all - is it still as much of a problem?
Most of the psychological issues here are highly cultural.
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#150Glass of course has privacy issues and I will not be comfortable speaking to anybody who is wearing one. It's at least 100 times more nerdy as the Bluetooth headset but those issues aside, you should totally expect to see these at Google conference.