Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

camtyler.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 84 posts

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#11

Post by HarryRotha »

ebbv wrote: post #8
pvnick wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is little else of Rand Paul worth paying for. Anytime either of the Paul's do something great that hits the news (many times a year), the armchair pundits on the internet make vague references to everything else they do which makes them not worth voting for. Some of the only people in congress who'll stand by their values and whom you know from what to expect. It's contrarian bullshit and I'm sick of it.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are corporatists. They happen to be right on a couple of issues but they are wrong on almost everything else. A list of things they are wrong on: - Civil rights : The Pauls have long been against the Civil Rights act though they recently pretend they aren't. - Environmental regulation : They want none. Our major cities would look like those terrible pictures/video from China. Some of you may be…

Your calling someone a corporatist who has fought against every corporate bailout thrown together in Washington? Thats rather silly mate.

I'm not very into any 1 ism myself, but I've studied enough to realize that there are pointed differences between corporatism and capitalism. The Pauls seem to be capitalists. Many others who claim to be capitalists are corporatists.

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#12

Post by benjamincburns »

I know this is obnoxious to post on HN, but since you're pushing the discussion here...

> One of the few that are fighting against our privacy and rights on the internet is KY Senator Rand Paul.

I think you meant "fighting for our privacy?"

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#13

Post by magnusj »

tocomment wrote: post #4
ck2 wrote: post #3

You know that channel selection concept for consumers where you get to pick and choose what you want and only pay for those parts? I'd like to be able to pick and chose the parts of each individual in Congress. There is little else of Rand Paul worth paying for.

What are the parts you don't like? I don't follow him that closely but doesn't he have a lot of pro-freedom views?

He is first and foremost social conservative, leaning libertarian on a few issues, and a state rights man on most issues (which isn't really about freedom. It's born out of a realization by reactionary southern people, that they can't get enough national support to implement their desired anti-freedom policies on a federal level).

For instance, he opposes women's right to abortion (except in certain cases), same-sex marriage, birthright citizenship, and any gun-control (the laissez faire regulation of killer devices in the US is, in my view, a huge infringement on freedom).

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#14

Post by ebbv »

HarryRotha wrote: post #11
ebbv wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are corporatists. They happen to be right on a couple of issues but they are wrong on almost everything else. A list of things they are wrong on: - Civil rights : The Pauls have long been against the Civil Rights act though they recently pretend they aren't. - Environmental regulation : They want none. Our major cities would look like those terrible pictures/video from China. Some of you may be…

Your calling someone a corporatist who has fought against every corporate bailout thrown together in Washington? Thats rather silly mate. I'm not very into any 1 ism myself, but I've studied enough to realize that there are pointed differences between corporatism and capitalism. The Pauls seem to be capitalists. Many others who claim to be capitalists are corporatists.

He fights against bailouts, sure. But he also fights against all regulation.

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#15

Post by benjamincburns »

rubinelli wrote: post #7
hkmurakami wrote: post #2

I recalled this line by Lawrence Lessig during Rand Paul's filibuster regarding drone strikes on American citizens: There is plenty to disagree with Rand Paul about. But this filibuster is not. Thank you, sir. http://twitter.com/lessig/status/309415470879100928 I feel the same way about his efforts on Internet rights.

Even when you don't agree with the guy, it's refreshing seeing someone defend a position because he believes in it, and not because his job depends on it.

Definitely. I'm pretty moderate, but lately the Republican party (or at least a very vocal minority therein) has just seemed far, far too out of touch with reality to me.

However when Rand Paul talks I listen and consider carefully what he has to say. I don't always, or even usually, agree with him - but I respect him and his principles. I can't say the same for many other current Republican leaders.

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#16

Post by ebbv »

pvnick wrote: post #10
ebbv wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are corporatists. They happen to be right on a couple of issues but they are wrong on almost everything else. A list of things they are wrong on: - Civil rights : The Pauls have long been against the Civil Rights act though they recently pretend they aren't. - Environmental regulation : They want none. Our major cities would look like those terrible pictures/video from China. Some of you may be…

Your post contains zero information apart from "Here's a bunch of talking points. You go research them" Edit: Ebbv recently changed his post to elaborate on his points, so while his argument now basically boils down to "I'm a hardline liberal and this is where the Pauls and I differ," my post is no longer relevant.

I didn't think it was too much to ask that if you were defending him you'd know his stance on those issues. But I clarified for you since you asked.

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#17

Post by jimzvz »

ebbv wrote: post #8
pvnick wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is little else of Rand Paul worth paying for. Anytime either of the Paul's do something great that hits the news (many times a year), the armchair pundits on the internet make vague references to everything else they do which makes them not worth voting for. Some of the only people in congress who'll stand by their values and whom you know from what to expect. It's contrarian bullshit and I'm sick of it.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are corporatists. They happen to be right on a couple of issues but they are wrong on almost everything else. A list of things they are wrong on: - Civil rights : The Pauls have long been against the Civil Rights act though they recently pretend they aren't. - Environmental regulation : They want none. Our major cities would look like those terrible pictures/video from China. Some of you may be…

You've added why YOU think they are wrong, that doesn't make them wrong.

>You may disagree with my viewpoints, but the point of this comment is to show I have well considered reasons for not liking them.

Maybe you need to consider further.

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#18

Post by waffle_ss »

ebbv wrote: post #8
pvnick wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is little else of Rand Paul worth paying for. Anytime either of the Paul's do something great that hits the news (many times a year), the armchair pundits on the internet make vague references to everything else they do which makes them not worth voting for. Some of the only people in congress who'll stand by their values and whom you know from what to expect. It's contrarian bullshit and I'm sick of it.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are corporatists. They happen to be right on a couple of issues but they are wrong on almost everything else. A list of things they are wrong on: - Civil rights : The Pauls have long been against the Civil Rights act though they recently pretend they aren't. - Environmental regulation : They want none. Our major cities would look like those terrible pictures/video from China. Some of you may be…

Just because someone is against having a massive federal government doesn't make them a corporatist. I suggest you compare the donors that Ron Paul had in his campaign vs. Obama and Romney to find out who the real corporatists are. You could also count how many corporate lobbyists Obama has appointed to positions in the federal government.

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#19

Post by smutticus »

pvnick wrote: post #10
ebbv wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are corporatists. They happen to be right on a couple of issues but they are wrong on almost everything else. A list of things they are wrong on: - Civil rights : The Pauls have long been against the Civil Rights act though they recently pretend they aren't. - Environmental regulation : They want none. Our major cities would look like those terrible pictures/video from China. Some of you may be…

Your post contains zero information apart from "Here's a bunch of talking points. You go research them" Edit: Ebbv recently changed his post to elaborate on his points, so while his argument now basically boils down to "I'm a hardline liberal and this is where the Pauls and I differ," my post is no longer relevant.

All I learned from your two posts was that you are very angry. ebbv is listing actual positions of the Pauls on various issues. If you think he's wrong then call him out on them.

Re: I thanked Rand Paul for his Internet Rights efforts lately. He replied.

#20

Post by ebbv »

waffle_ss wrote: post #18
ebbv wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ron Paul and Rand Paul are corporatists. They happen to be right on a couple of issues but they are wrong on almost everything else. A list of things they are wrong on: - Civil rights : The Pauls have long been against the Civil Rights act though they recently pretend they aren't. - Environmental regulation : They want none. Our major cities would look like those terrible pictures/video from China. Some of you may be…

Just because someone is against having a massive federal government doesn't make them a corporatist. I suggest you compare the donors that Ron Paul had in his campaign vs. Obama and Romney to find out who the real corporatists are. You could also count how many corporate lobbyists Obama has appointed to positions in the federal government.

Where did I say anything about Obama or Romney?

They are both far too beholden to corporate interests as well.

But Obama is right on more issues than the Pauls are, IMHO.

Post reply on HN