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Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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Thank you so much! I thought it was me, I've been working at my standing desk at home for about >3 months now and my right foot (my left knee is a mess so my bad standing posture puts all weight on the right leg) is in a real pain. I'm wondering if a wobble board can help? http://goo.gl/36ZCb

I have a standing desk at work, and started having the same issue, but got it sorted out. This may have already been said, but if you buy a cushioned floor mat, designed for people like machinists who need to be on their feet all day, it makes a big difference. I try to stand about half the day with the mat, and sit the other half. About 4 hours each, intermittently. Feels pretty good so far after about a month.

Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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Hi, I'm Casey Klebba from the article. Just adding a little flavor to the story:

I have worked in an Aeron chair for most of my career. The majority of my day is spent sitting down -- sometimes at my computer and sometimes in meetings. That's what my job is like right now. If you're like me, when you get home from work you go right back to the computer like a moth to a lamp. Advice about moderation is completely lost on me because I'm a glutton for computing -- that's just my reality. To mitigate the amount of time I sit during the day, I built a standing desk and spent my evening hours using it. It was great -- my posture improved and the contrast from sitting is something my body really enjoyed. I stood barefoot on a rolled up Yoga mat thinking that it would be a sufficient cushion. My weight is ~150 lbs and I would not consider myself unfit -- I walk several miles a day to and from work. Nonetheless my feet became increasingly sore. At first I thought nothing of it because I've often had sore feet from activity and it's never been chronic. Gradually the pain increased and became persistent through my day. By the time I realized I had become afflicted by Plantar fasciitis it was too late. I immediately abandoned the standing desk but recovery has still been extremely slow. The injury isn't massively painful but it can take _multiple_ years to heal in bad cases. Mostly the pain is a constant reminder that I am a moth.

Use my cautionary tale however you see fit, but remember that the lesson boils down to one real truth: there is no way to avoid the health hazards associated with excess computing.

Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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I find the "shoes with arch support" advise in the article to be horrible*

(*Disclaimer I am no doc, this is only based off what worked for me)

I spent years fighting plantar fasciitis, and tried every shoe, device, gimmick and (expensive) orthodic available. I spent $1000's on this, and my insurance companies spent even more on custom orthodics and docs. Nothing worked, and it actually got worse over time. I could barely walk some days, and traversing stairs backwards (this helped a little with the pain) was pretty common.

I assumed it was just due to a childhood injury on my left foot, and I'd just be suffering for life. But when my right foot got the pain ( only after using all the medical remedies and prescribed devices ) - I knew something was off.

A few years ago I heard about the barefoot running trend. On a whim I decided to try it (the barefoot part, not the running part, yet) and see what would happen - it would have been hard for things to get worse.

Fast forward to now - I have not had pain in years, lost weight (which also helped), and run 1/2 marathons and 5ks multiple times a year.

In my experience any arch support just helps lead to atrophy of the tendons, which cause the pain.

My remedy in a nutshell:

1. Before you get out of bed each day (and BEFORE you put any weight on your feet) stretch both feet (even if only one is having a problem). Grab your foot at the ball and pull back (gently, you're not trying to snap your foot). Hold for 60 seconds. repeat on each foot 2-3 times. Over time you can dial this back, but keep at it for a few weeks and you will notice a difference.

2. Stay "barefoot" as much as possible. Walk around the house barefoot, wear thin, flat shoes when possible (Nike Free, Vibram, Vivo, or any thin sole shoe without a big heel - normal sneakers suck)

3. Read Born to Run - it's a great book :-)

Hope this helps some. I suffered for years, and it sucks. Happy to answer questions.

Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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post #53

I find the "shoes with arch support" advise in the article to be horrible* (*Disclaimer I am no doc, this is only based off what worked for me) I spent years fighting plantar fasciitis, and tried every shoe, device, gimmick and (expensive) orthodic available. I spent $1000's on this, and my insurance companies spent even more on custom orthodics and docs. Nothing worked, and it actually got worse over time. I could b…

PS - I use a standing desk now, and stand for 6-10 hours a day at it.

Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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post #53

I find the "shoes with arch support" advise in the article to be horrible* (*Disclaimer I am no doc, this is only based off what worked for me) I spent years fighting plantar fasciitis, and tried every shoe, device, gimmick and (expensive) orthodic available. I spent $1000's on this, and my insurance companies spent even more on custom orthodics and docs. Nothing worked, and it actually got worse over time. I could b…

For people who have experienced this, it's worth noting that planar fasciitis can also be caused by your sleeping position. The stretching advice still applies but you can also modify your sleeping position to remedy the pain.

Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

#56
post #49

Wait till standing desks have been in fashion for some decades and you'll start seeing stories about people getting Thrombophlebitis in their legs. Seriously, get a good chair and sit in it. Get up every half an hour or so, also strech your legs while sitting. Raise your toes forcefully to get some blood flowing through your lower legs (this should be done automatically every couple of minutes without thinking). Put…

> Wait till standing desks have been in fashion for some decades and you'll start seeing stories about people getting Thrombophlebitis in their legs.

Sitting for too long causes Thrombophlebitis too.

Standing desks are fine. Just like sitting, you don't stand all day. You take breaks. You move around.

The greatest benefit of a standing desk is you're more readily able to take breaks. You're already up. I think anyone with a sitting day job can attest to skipping breaks because of the effort of standing up. Yes, you heard me correctly, and it's true. Sometimes you're so into a problem or issue your brain tells you to skip taking a break because it's not worth the effort of getting up.

Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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post #40

As 'tzs has pointed out repeatedly on HN: it's possible, and, considering the evidence, perhaps even likely that standing desks are worse for you than conventional desks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4307722 From what I've read, the best approach seems to be to sit , but also to set a timer to get up and walk around for a minute every half hour or so.

From what I've read, the best approach seems to be to sit, but also to set a timer to get up and walk around for a minute every half hour or so

FWIW, that's exactly what my doctor recommended when I went to see him about back pain. I asked "Um, I hear great things about standing desks?", he didn't even say whatever, he said, "I don't want you to use a standing desk."

Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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post #52

Hi, I'm Casey Klebba from the article. Just adding a little flavor to the story: I have worked in an Aeron chair for most of my career. The majority of my day is spent sitting down -- sometimes at my computer and sometimes in meetings. That's what my job is like right now. If you're like me, when you get home from work you go right back to the computer like a moth to a lamp. Advice about moderation is completely lost…

> * I walk several miles a day to and from work.*

You don't wear flip-flops a lot walking long distances, do you? The lack of heel-support is a huge contributing factor to over-pronation and probably Plantar Fasciitis. If you're not wearing flip-flops, are you walking several miles with proper support shoes for that distance if you have a flat foot? Something like the Asics Kinsei or Kayano series.

I'm a runner and regularly walk/run several miles to work too. I have no arch in my foot, but this was a couple years before I ever got a standing desk. I developed serious foot pain one summer wearing flip-flops everywhere.

I also have a standing desk I've had for 2 years now. It's a Geek Desk, and has a motor that allows it to raise from sitting to standing. First couple months I definitely had some new aches and pains, but they eventually went away. Two years later, I don't have any pains now. I don't stand all day though, I alternate between sitting and standing, and I take breaks about every 25 minutes.

I wonder about your posture on your makeshift standing desk. If the desk wasn't at the correct height it could also cause problems.

Edit - Also I picked up one of these years ago and use it daily, helps a ton: http://www.amazon.com/Medi-Dyne-ProStretch-Unilateral-Stretc...

Re: Apparently standing desks can hurt too

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post #56
post #49

Wait till standing desks have been in fashion for some decades and you'll start seeing stories about people getting Thrombophlebitis in their legs. Seriously, get a good chair and sit in it. Get up every half an hour or so, also strech your legs while sitting. Raise your toes forcefully to get some blood flowing through your lower legs (this should be done automatically every couple of minutes without thinking). Put…

> Wait till standing desks have been in fashion for some decades and you'll start seeing stories about people getting Thrombophlebitis in their legs. Sitting for too long causes Thrombophlebitis too. Standing desks are fine. Just like sitting, you don't stand all day. You take breaks. You move around. The greatest benefit of a standing desk is you're more readily able to take breaks. You're already up. I think anyone…

I've seen quite a few older folks who had the condition and they usually shared one thing: their careers involved standing most of their working day (store clerks, masseurs and such).

So from my (possibly subjective) experience, I'd say standing all day is worse than sitting all day as far as T-phlebitis goes.

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