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Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

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Re: Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

#71

Hmm. Making a universal email message have bespoke instructions for a specific mail provider. Call me old fashioned but I don't like that. Infact I still like to read my e-mails in plain text. Also, I dare say, not so useful for the many of us accessing gmail via Mac devices' mail clients.

> Making a universal email message have bespoke instructions for a specific mail provider. Call me old fashioned but I don't like that.

Its all using open standard formats, and the specific schemas are open standards or proposed for standardization (and Google has said that its schema support may change if the schemas change in the standardization process.) Other providers could use it as well. This is how progress happens in open systems. The alternative is either abandoning the open system for new functionality, or just never getting new functionality at all. And its not the provider that is key here, but the client (the fact that for many gmail users the supplier of both the mail service and the mail client is the same makes it easy to confuse the issue.)

> Also, I dare say, not so useful for the many of us accessing gmail via Mac devices' mail clients.

Yes, features in the Gmail client that aren't included in other clients aren't useful to people using the other clients. I'm not sure why this is noteworthy.

Re: Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

#73
post #58

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Both Microdata and JSON-LD are open formats.

The format may be open, the ability to use it isn't - you need to register with Google[1] or they won't display actions on your e-mail. This appears to be necessary for security reasons. Imagine if every e-mail provider did the same thing! [1] https://developers.google.com/gmail/schemas/registering-with...

And even if they implement the "open standard" in outlook, who says Google won't bait and switch (oh the irony) then, like they did with their youtube apps on windows mobile?

Re: Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

#74
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Yeah. There are so many positive possibilities yet a large group of people still choose to focus on the negative side. I hope this can change one day

So many possibilities? There is nothing here that couldn't be achieved by having the user click on a link. And he's right, it does make phishing easier.

> So many possibilities? There is nothing here that couldn't be achieved by having the user click on a link.

Because its machine parseable, it makes a lot of presentation options available that aren't available when you rely on a standard hyperlink without a data format with a standardized identification of the requested action.

> And he's right, it does make phishing easier.

Well, that depends on what the requirements are to have the client present the actions from the schemas: the current Google requirements, I would say, do not make phishing easier. You must register with Google for the schemas in the email you send to be recognized in Google products (e.g., Gmail) [1], and the registration is per-set-of-emails, and fairly specific as to the content, and appears to be manually reviewed [2].

[1] https://developers.google.com/gmail/schemas/registering-with... [2] https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1PA-vjjk3yJF7MLPOVKbIz3MBfhy...

Re: Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

#75
post #7

I don't get it, wouldn't an html email with a form element do the same thing?

> I don't get it, wouldn't an html email with a form element do the same thing?

No, it wouldn't identify the meaning of the requested action to the email client in a way which allows the mail client to categorize/present the email specially based on the requested action, and in a manner which is consistent with other emails with the same kind of action request.

Re: Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

#76

Lots of strangely negative reactions here. We ( http://inky.com ) think this is a positive development and plan to support it as well. We're happy Google has promoted open standards in doing this.

It's all Fire and Motion. Google wants this to gain traction so that competing email clients spend cycles gaining feature parity. And for what? Make clicking a link easier?

Re: Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

#77

Hmm. Making a universal email message have bespoke instructions for a specific mail provider. Call me old fashioned but I don't like that. Infact I still like to read my e-mails in plain text. Also, I dare say, not so useful for the many of us accessing gmail via Mac devices' mail clients.

Implementation-specific email headers aren't new, and many providers have been leveraging them in one way or another -- probably since email itself came to be. Outlook is a great example here. It's basically just value-add's for the client.

You can still read email in any client, so why would you choose any specific client? I think the onus remains on the content creators, just as it is on the web and elsewhere on the net, that they only use the extended functionality to enhance the content (and not replace it). An example here would be HTML emails -- which, since you said you prefer plain text, I'm sure you hate? But they are common and those that use them know that they need to include a "view on the web" link for clients who don't understand HTML.

I do like plain text the best though, as I think that's where email excels, though SMS has some overlap. Ultrafunk Popcorn[1] was my preferred email client for 5+ years, and was an awesome client. Required only a conf file and something silly like 200k of RAM to run. Sadly, development stopped on it awhile back I think, though it probably still works just fine. It's the equivalent of the foobar2000 music player, dead simple and efficient.

1. http://web.archive.org/web/20130116201517/http://ultrafunk.c...

Re: Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

#78
post #7

I don't get it, wouldn't an html email with a form element do the same thing?

> I don't get it, wouldn't an html email with a form element do the same thing? No, it wouldn't identify the meaning of the requested action to the email client in a way which allows the mail client to categorize/present the email specially based on the requested action, and in a manner which is consistent with other emails with the same kind of action request.

So... you're saying it should have been conceived of as a particular file type and attached, like all other non-message-related elements?

Would Google encode a vcf file in JSON and embed it in the message? How is handling VCF different than handling other optionally-actionable data?

Re: Gmail: Introducing Actions in the Inbox

#80

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... HTML? You're joking, right?

Not that I know of. Why? Links? Phishing would be much different if people read links instead of the label. Images? Really? Just attach them and do not add clutter to the message. Edit: did I say something wrong? Really ?

There is a large disconnect between people that use/default HTML on in their mail clients, and people that don't.

Additionally, as always, people take it as an attack against themselves when you threaten an action they do often and like doing.

For my (probably our?) part, I prefer text email to a large degree. I do enjoy the ability to view in HTML a few select correspondences I get, but they could just as easily be links to a webpage. In a similar vein, I prefer bottom posting or inline replies for anything beyond a simple response, and trimming unused portions from large quoted sections.

People that reply with color coded text to denote who's speaking cause me a unique type of pain, and I reserve a unique type of hatred for them.

That said, there are probably others that I annoy with my style of correspondence.

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