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What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by virtuz »

reidrac wrote: post #16
eschnou wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the quote from The Verge is the following: "Singhal says Google had to make the difficult decision to drop the very 'open' XMPP standard that it helped pioneer."

That's for the new Hangouts service. If you can keep using XMPP with your Gmail account, then it's not that terrible. I don't know if it's a forced replacement. We may need to wait for Google's announcement.

"We may need to wait for Google's announcement."

Are you kidding me? All of this fuss with people annoyed at Google when they haven't even announced or explained it?

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by markus2012 »

1. Google creates a service and gives it away for free.

2. Most alternative providers of the service die. The only ones that still provide the service must also give it away for free and leverage the service in some other way.

3. Google kills service.

Someone might try to fill the void, but why would they? Google might just provide the service again for free.

I wonder how much of the economy has been lost by giving away services for free. There's something wrong with the model where you can give something away for free so you can learn more about them to serve ads.

I remember a time when a certain government would buy a factory in another country, decrease prices to destroy all of the local competition and then lay off all of the factory workers and shut the factory down.

Interesting times for companies like Google.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by sp332 »

VikingCoder wrote: post #58
recoiledsnake wrote: post #47

Wait, so Google is dropping XMPP support because Outlook.com is supporting it to allow Gtalk users to chat on Outlook.com, so in order to perpetuate the GMail/GTalk lock-in by caging the Gtalk chat users to GMail, they're dropping standards support and killing access to all XMPP clients in existence including non-Microsoft ones? And they announce this right when Microsoft spent all the time and effort to allow Outloo…

So, to be clear, Google is supposed to make video chat with groups of people, recording to YouTube, desktop sharing, and Google Docs live editing work with XMPP? Or else they're evil?

If they're not using XMPP, they should publish their new protocol and let other clients interface with it.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by untog »

capo wrote: post #60
recoiledsnake wrote: post #47

Wait, so Google is dropping XMPP support because Outlook.com is supporting it to allow Gtalk users to chat on Outlook.com, so in order to perpetuate the GMail/GTalk lock-in by caging the Gtalk chat users to GMail, they're dropping standards support and killing access to all XMPP clients in existence including non-Microsoft ones? And they announce this right when Microsoft spent all the time and effort to allow Outloo…

GTalk is still as is. As for YouTube it is and always have been available on the web for windows phone. Microsoft in clear violation of Google's TOS used undocumented APIs and stripped ads from YouTube and now they have the audacity to say that they would have complied by the TOS if it suited them better. Please take your anti-Google (probably Microsoft sponsored astroturf) elsewhere: https://news.ycombinator.com/sub…

You know, saying that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is "probably Microsoft sponsored astroturf" just makes me picture you with a tin foil hat on your head.

Sometimes the truth is a lot simpler than you're thinking it is. You write a lot of posts that are pro-Google. Are you sponsored by Google?!?!?

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by Maarten88 »

esolyt wrote: post #24
sgoody wrote: post #9

I'm pretty disappointed by the recent dropping of standards that Google has been doing. I'm quite a sceptical person and I've never been a fan of any big corp, but Google has been the one that I've trusted my data in the most and that I've been happiest with. I still trust them with some of my data, but I'm rapidly losing faith in them and in fact I'm starting to think that Microsoft are a more "open" company... and…

>I'm starting to think that Microsoft are a more "open" company... I am disappointed too. But why is Microsoft more open? Does Microsoft have an open messaging protocol that I don't know of? Or an open source operating system? Or an open source browser? The last I checked, they were forcing manufacturers to ship computers with locked down bootloaders so you can't install your own operating system. >But they're privac…

> Does Microsoft have an open messaging protocol that I don't know of?

Even better, they support an standard called SIP. [1]

> Or an open source operating system? Or an open source browser?

They believe in open standards more than open source, although the Azure group very actively supports open source lately

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by [deleted] »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #47

Wait, so Google is dropping XMPP support because Outlook.com is supporting it to allow Gtalk users to chat on Outlook.com, so in order to perpetuate the GMail/GTalk lock-in by caging the Gtalk chat users to GMail, they're dropping standards support and killing access to all XMPP clients in existence including non-Microsoft ones? And they announce this right when Microsoft spent all the time and effort to allow Outloo…

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Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by azar1 »

laumars wrote: post #26
yanw wrote: post #18

Hyperbole aside (they won’t drop SMTP) that is a very narrow and unfair view on the situation, they at least tried for years to make it work with these standards and failed. They were obviously the last ones doing so, and this new approach is mainly about modernising their infrastructure. Is there anyone else of any consequence out there who is building these sorts of messaging apps on top of XMPP? Google was the las…

Coincidentally, only yesterday I installed an XMPP daemon on one of my servers and configured it as a message relay so I can send and receive SMS from my PC via my phone. Facebook chat also uses XMPP. So in answer to your question: yes, there are people still building new stuff on top of XMPP. However I will concede that I'm also a bit IRC advocate - so I'm probably the wrong person to comment on the best newest soci…

I'd love to read how you set that up. Any links you can point me to?

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by iamshs »

capo wrote: post #89
iamshs wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except, Microsoft did not strip ads from the videos. They said yesterday that they will be happy to serve ads if Google lets them access. And please, let the legal departments decide if it is a clear violation or not. Do not take a decision on your own. I think you are the one who is astro-turfing here, if i apply the finger pointing criteria to you too. It is better if you reply to the argument leaving your personal…

http://readwrite.com/2013/05/09/microsoft-youtube-app-rule-b... They built an unauthorized app and now they are complaining that the app is unauthorized.

I am happy that the customers are getting access to the most widely used video site. I will let the companies dunk it out as to what is unauthorized or what is not. MS responded to it already, and said they are will be happy to work towards betterment of mutual customers on a day where Larry page loathed negativity among companies. Or something to that effect.

Re: What's next Google? Dropping SMTP support?

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Post by sp332 »

lstamour wrote: post #62
esolyt wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm starting to think that Microsoft are a more "open" company... I am disappointed too. But why is Microsoft more open? Does Microsoft have an open messaging protocol that I don't know of? Or an open source operating system? Or an open source browser? The last I checked, they were forcing manufacturers to ship computers with locked down bootloaders so you can't install your own operating system. >But they're privac…

Locked down boot loaders? The spec says you must be able to change it. And you can. Same with Chromebooks (dev switches) and Macs (rEFIt or boot camp). This is about security of the boot process for those who desire it. TPM is a feature just like Chrome's default support for DRM now. Necessary evils or useful security, all depends on who is in control. What makes service lockdown worse is you're not in control if you…

Actually in order to get a "Made for Windows RT" sticker on an ARM device, OEMs must enable "Secure Boot" and disallow changes. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-lock-out-...
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